Havard Loses debate to Inmates on Illegal Immigration

Originally posted by BackFire
This is actually a very cool story. It's great that this prison has access to such strong education to the point that they can stand toe to toe and actually beat the team that won the world championship. Even while arguing in favor of something they don't agree with.

This is a great example of people in prison being given a second chance and succeeding, and taking the necessary steps to turn their life around.

I agree, very cool story. Hopefully those people can get out and make life better for themselves and all of us.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's totally a cool story..for the inmates. A bit embarrassing for Harvard. Unless they were debating against some evil super geniuses.

It says in the article:

"Students in the prison are held to the exact same standards, levels of rigor and expectation as students on Bard's main campus," said Max Kenner, executive director of the Bard Prison Initiative, which operates in six New York prisons. "Those students are serious. They are not condescended to by their faculty."

So, they are good, capable students, there's no shame in losing to them.

For Harvard? Sure there is.

Though why do I get this sick sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that we're giving the criminals better educations then law abiding citizens?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So you resort to trolling when you have nothing else to say.

I found the story extremely interesting, this has nothing to do with a progressive agenda, and I would like to see your pee brain make an argument for that so I can knock it down, just like I did you.

nope. the conservative attitude toward prisoners has nothing to do with compassion and rehabilitation. absolutely you are highlighting a progressive agenda with this topic, and on behalf of progressives everywhere: thank you. pretty soon you'll be driving a prius and eating granola on your way to chain yourself to a redwood tree, to stick it to the lumber industry.

I wonder how much tuition the students in prison pay for their education. You guys think it is a lot?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nope. the conservative attitude toward prisoners has nothing to do with compassion and rehabilitation. absolutely you are highlighting a progressive agenda with this topic, and on behalf of progressives everywhere: thank you. pretty soon you'll be driving a prius and eating granola on your way to chain yourself to a redwood tree, to stick it to the lumber industry.

Quote me saying I did not believe in education for criminals or I will report you for lying and trolling.

Btw: I do drive a prius, dimwit.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Quote me saying I did not believe in education for criminals or I will report you for lying and trolling.

Btw: I do drive a prius, dimwit.

i thought you didnt identify as a conservative? i guess that was a mistruth, since you seem to take my comments on conservatives very personally.

prius huh? it begins.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i thought you didnt identify as a conservative? i guess that wasnt true since you seem to take my comments on conservatives very personally.

prius huh? it begins.

Off Topic, No proof to back your claims Reported.

ok, good luck with that. *shrug*

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
ok, good luck with that. *shrug*

No proof to back your claims, you have no argument here but off topic personal attacks.

care to quote these "personal attacks" or are you going to report me 12 more times over nothing?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
pretty soon you'll be driving a prius and eating granola on your way to chain yourself to a redwood tree, to stick it to the lumber industry.

This was meant to be a personal attack as well as a insult, and its very stupid of you to try and weasel your way around it now that you have been caught.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This was meant to be a personal attack as well as a insult, and its very stupid of you to try and weasel your way around it now that you have been caught.

thats not a personal attack. however calling someone a "dimwit" is.

also, you're being like one of those fake-injury fifa players again. very childish.

I had hope for you in the past, now you just gonna be out of my screen.

nope. the conservative attitude toward prisoners has nothing to do with compassion and rehabilitation

You go ahead and keep having "compassion" for criminals, while the rest of us will have compassion for the victims and their families.

Originally posted by Surtur
For Harvard? Sure there is.

Though why do I get this sick sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that we're giving the criminals better educations then law abiding citizens?

The US education system is messed up, putting people in deep debt, etc.
If the treatment of prisoners is better that is a sign that the treatment of everyone should be better, not that the treatment of prisoners should be worse.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Lol, it's cute the word "compassion" is being thrown around when prisoners are involved, regardless of their crimes. But the liberals tend to do more to change things for change sake, than progress.

thanks for helping to validate my claim

you're alright 👆

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
thanks for helping to validate my claim

you're alright 👆

Yup, I sure validated the difference between conservatives and liberals as far as prisoners are concerned. Thanks for validating MY claim as well 👆

Originally posted by Surtur
For Harvard? Sure there is.

Though why do I get this sick sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that we're giving the criminals better educations then law abiding citizens?

If education allows them to do that, then their rehabilitation is working, and I'm not sure why that should leave you with a "sick sick feeling." I'd rather tax dollars paying toward making prisoners better people than paying just to keep them inside forever with no hope of rehabilitation, or even worse, making them more hardened than they were before.

Norway has a very low recidivism rate because their prisons actually make prisoners into better people. At the moment, ours don't.

Serious question: do you want prisoners to leave prison better than they came in or not?