Originally posted by Surtur
The entire thing just leaves me with an unsettling feeling. I know people still paying student loans, I know people who never went to college because they just couldn't afford it. Some of these people literally could of enriched their lives by breaking the law. Not just via ill gotten gains via breaking the law, but also by being sent to prison. They'd get the free education, 3 meals a day, probably internet access, etc.Prisoners live better then some actual non criminals I know.
Again, very good points.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I am really impressed by these Inmates, I think that when there time has been served they should go to Harvard and continue what they have started.
Now imagine what this country could do if everyone had access to free education of the quality these inmates had.
I'm all for rehabbing prisoners as long as their crimes aren't too heinous. I just wish we'd treat the law abiding citizens as well.
Originally posted by Surtur
Now imagine what this country could do if everyone had access to free education of the quality these inmates had.I'm all for rehabbing prisoners as long as their crimes aren't too heinous. I just wish we'd treat the law abiding citizens as well.
Yes it is interesting how well of education they received. If criminals can receive free education from good schools on tax payers dime, so should everyone else that is a law abiding citizen.
Originally posted by Surtur
The sick feeling comes with the fact I know law abiding citizens that are still paying student loan fee's and the like. If we are spending tax dollars to educate criminals then why not give *everyone* a college education then? A free one, at that. Since something tells me once they get out of prison they aren't suddenly being forced to pay for the education they received.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You have refugees killing women in your own country. How about you deal with that first and less us and the US worry about our guns which btw is part of the second amendment.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well, in that case, I agree with you. I think America should try to be like Germany where all college education is free for all citizens. In a true democracy, education should be a fundamental right, not a privilege for those with money.This is downright silly. Please stop trying to delegitimize Bardock's arguments simply because you can't rebut them.
He had no argument, and his comment was sillier, btw why are you backseat modding?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He had no argument, and his comment was sillier, btw why are you backseat modding?
It's not backseat modding, it's calling on a friend to stop being obtuse to another friend. You don't have to like Bardock, but you shouldn't do all this petty deflection to avoid an earnest debate with him.
His comment on less guns makes zero sense. The only thin less guns will do is empower criminals who i can assure you have guns. debating guns is silly.
2nd Ammendment is what it is.
I would like to see someone try and repeal it😂
Why do you care about gun violence anyways?
How about curing cancer? Or banning tobacco.
They kill more people then guns.
People will always kill people.
Who the hell brough up guns in this thread anyways? Oh I forgot it was Bardock trying to derail the thread.
Go figure.
Originally posted by red g jacks
based on recent trends in the academic debate world, i'm guessing the inmates employed some sort of 'alternative debate tactic' such as attacking their opponents with sharpened tooth brushes.
Seems like the win was fair and square. I know this bothers people though. You know minorities raining on the rich white kids PC parade.
Priceless.
Goes to show you that over priced education means jack shit when it comes to real world problems.
TI's lie about people's reaction:
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Seems like the win was fair and square. I know this bothers people though. You know minorities raining on the rich white kids PC parade.
The actual reaction:
"There are few teams we are prouder of having lost a debate to than the phenomenally intelligent and articulate team we faced this weekend,"' they wrote. "And we are incredibly thankful to Bard and the Eastern New York Correctional Facility for the work they do and for organizing this event."
Liar, you have no honor.
Originally posted by psmith81992
But that means we'll have what, a 55% tax rate?
Well a 55% top income tax rate doesn't seem outlandish, tbh, but I don't think that would need to happen. The bargaining power of the government, and the added government oversight could take care of certain abuses in the medical industry (taking the recent Daraprim price hike scandal for example). Americans already pay more for healthcare than any other nation by a wide margin, this could be made better by single payer systems or completely tax payed health care.
The top tax rate in the UK is 45% I believe and they offer free health care.
Yes, as far as I can tell it is 45% for 2015/2016.
The US system appears more complicated to me, with payroll taxes, etc.
I guess for me it's more of a moral reason, I believe that all people should have access to good health care and education. I also believe that it has a big, positive benefit on a countries citizens as a whole.