Before we get into this, I have to know if the Darkseid that Doomsday beat up was the real Darkseid? This matters because guys like Zeus don't actually have to get into physical fights with mortal characters in the same sense as guys like Doomsday do. I'm not sure what I was seeing when the Hulk went up to Mount Olympus, but it appeared to be an abstract manifestation of Zeus, and he appeared to be the size of a mountain or larger. I just don't think that Doomsday is on this level, because Zeus is more than just some simple brick.
Originally posted by Stoic
Before we get into this, I have to know if the Darkseid that Doomsday beat up was the real Darkseid? This matters because guys like Zeus don't actually have to get into physical fights with mortal characters in the same sense as guys like Doomsday do. I'm not sure what I was seeing when the Hulk went up to Mount Olympus, but it appeared to be an abstract manifestation of Zeus, and he appeared to be the size of a mountain or larger. I just don't think that Doomsday is on this level, because Zeus is more than just some simple brick.
I always thought that was an avatar
Originally posted by Galan007
There were absolutely no legitimate indicators that it was an avatar.Also, Superman himself was massively amped, yet DD still shit-stomped him effortlessly.
Correct me if im wrong but in FC wasnt it stated all previous incarnations of DS were avatars? As the real deal was too powerful or some such nonsense
Originally posted by Sin I AMIt was stated in Seven Soldiers and Final Crisis that mortal vessels/shells cannot contain the energy of a New God for long without breaking down... Which is why Darkseid had to transfer his essence into other hosts and whatnot:
Really? Do u recall such a thing ever being said tho even if not in relation to this fight
Is that what you were thinking of?
Originally posted by Galan007
It was stated in Seven Soldiers and Final Crisis that mortal vessels/shells cannot contain the energy of a New God for long without breaking down... Which is why Darkseid had to transfer his essence into other hosts and whatnot:
http://i.imgur.com/QibqjUI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IBXm9Et.jpgIs that what you were thinking of?
No this
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Originally posted by tkitnaBut gets whipped in seconds.
Zeus is beyond DD
As far as durability, DD would be very hard to injure. If that happens then DD will heal instantly and adapt higher resistance. Thus the fight will get harder with backwards progress made. The only way to beat DD is to bfr him or one shot him. Zeus is not doing either here.
not sure about darkseid. i'd always been of the opinion it likely WAS an avatar, but that doesn't mean he wasn't still powerful. there's no real proof it was an avatar, but i always just assumed that was the case... darkseid was still a solid trans imo. and don't forget, dd had also killed a guardian as well, and shredded a huge gathering of the core.
galan mentioned how amped supes was in that fight, forgetting he also had waverider helping him, who is uber in his own right.... we've seen some poor showings from zeus in the past and very little in terms of esoteric powers.
i want to say zeus (because i really don't see dd at skyfather levels...), but based on evidence, it's hard NOT to give dd a chance in this match.....
Originally posted by Galan007
Those scans just state what we already knew: that Darkseid can employ avatars. That certainly doesn't mean he always employs them, however... Especially when a nigh-unstoppable creature is ravaging his homeworld.
I know. I just remembered at one point message boards were running wild with darkseids "doombot" level avatars. Essentially writing all his losses off. In still not convinced it was him. Who wrote that arc Morrison?
