When did the Imperiex Probe attack Doomsday? And the Probes that Superman and Doomsday fought didn't explode like the other ones (I guess that's due to Doomsday and Superman interrupting Imperiex Prime during the time he was creating these probes). So what attacks did Doomsday withstand from the Probes?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, Thor got oneshotted by his own lightning. I'm sure Doomsday can so better than that.But yeah, you're just grasping at straws there.
Because sonics directly affect brain. Unlike the energy attacks. And he didn't evolve against Sonic attack. He just blocked it.
So, all this for just a bit of circular logic?
Zeus should better bring a whistle here if he wants to take Doomsday down.
But I'd like to see where he evolved against HV or Martian vision? Because apparently Doomsday has no durability at all. It's all just evolution!!!!!!!!!
Then please, open the thread, and post all the scans you have of Doomsday tanking/resisting magical lightning.
Not Imperiex probes.
Not Martian vision.
not HV.
Magical lightning. No twisting of my words. The original point was that using Thor as proof that Zeus' magic is weak is not exactly fool proof, as he is, you know, the god of thunder (and lightning).
As for the adaptation:
He adapts to energy. The Guardians' words are quite clear.
NEVER SAID HE HAD NO DURABILITY, btw. That kind of muddying the waters may fly with others....not me.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then please, open the thread, and post all the scans you have of Doomsday tanking/resisting magical lightning.Not Imperiex probes.
Not Martian vision.
not HV.
So Doomsday has no inherent durability towards anything new?
Could Captain Marvel kill him with magical lightning then? How about Detective Chimp's magical fists?
Magical lightning. No twisting of my words. The original point was that using Thor as proof that Zeus' magic is weak is not exactly fool proof, as he is, you know, the god of thunder (and lightning).
OK, how about Hercules? Or Typhoon? Or random Titans?
This is just getting ridiculous.
As for the adaptation:
He adapts to energy. The Guardians' words are quite clear.
That's after DOS published. It was to flesh out his character. Like Wolverine and his HF.
He never evolved in DOS.
NEVER SAID HE HAD NO DURABILITY, btw. That kind of muddying the waters may fly with others....not me.
You are essentially saying the same. Because Doomsday has never encountered magic, he will get oneshotted.
Because GL energy is any less exotic is Magic somehow.
Originally posted by carver9
When did the Imperiex Probe attack Doomsday? And the Probes that Superman and Doomsday fought didn't explode like the other ones (I guess that's due to Doomsday and Superman interrupting Imperiex Prime during the time he was creating these probes). So what attacks did Doomsday withstand from the Probes?
It's ridiculous to think they never got attacked.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So Doomsday has no inherent durability towards anything new?Could Captain Marvel kill him with magical lightning then? How about Detective Chimp's magical fists?
OK, how about Hercules? Or Typhoon? Or random Titans?
This is just getting ridiculous.
Please read my first post on this matter:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zeus wins.Yes, Doomy is strong....but Zeus is mystical. Something Doomsday has never encountered before.
So Zeus doesn't have to be at levels >> the OE.
I even clarified. I've summarised so you can see the point I'm making:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
EVERY version of Doomsday, when faced with a new attack, is affected by it. then he evolves and adapts to it (assuming he does not get killed, lol). The question then becomes, is the attack great enough to KO him (as with the Radiant) or obliterate him (as with Imperiex).
Detective Chimp etc - are they great enough to KO Doomsday?
IOW, just to reiterate my point:
Using Doomsday's tanking of OE, or MArtian vision, or HV etc, as proof that he can tank an equal magnitude of Zeus' power, is a fallacy.
As he has never faced it.
AM I SAYING THAT DETECTIVE CHIMP CAN KO HIM? No. N.O.
I AM , however, saying that it would require LESS than combined MV, HV, Fire, etc to KO him. The TYPE of energy that he is now facing in this thread, means that the LEVEL of energy needed is less. Am I saying that this level is now tiny? No.
That's after DOS published. It was to flesh out his character. Like Wolverine and his HF.
He never evolved in DOS.
I care not one whit. It is canon, and has been published.
You are essentially saying the same. Because Doomsday has never encountered magic, he will get oneshotted.Because GL energy is any less exotic is Magic somehow.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Please read my first post on this matter:
I even clarified. I've summarised so you can see the point I'm making:
No, you're just making shit up now.
Detective Chimp etc - are they great enough to KO Doomsday?
IOW, just to reiterate my point:
Using Doomsday's tanking of OE, or MArtian vision, or HV etc, as proof that he can tank an equal magnitude of Zeus' power, is a fallacy.
It's not. Omega effect is more powerful than anything Zeus can throw.
As he has never faced it.
Just like Omegas.
AM I SAYING THAT DETECTIVE CHIMP CAN KO HIM? No. N.O.
Well why not? DD has never the chimp.
I AM , however, saying that it would require LESS than combined MV, HV, Fire, etc to KO him. The TYPE of energy that he is now facing in this thread, means that the LEVEL of energy needed is less. Am I saying that this level is now tiny? No.
You're not making any sense.
I care not one whit. It is canon, and has been published.
Yes, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Magic of the level of Zeus. Not just any magic, lol. [/B]
Well why not? He adapted to Guardians energy.
A similar attack vaporized SBP. Do you think Zeus can vaporize SBP?
*sigh*, Ok, let met break it down for you.
Let's say the combined energies of MV, HV etc, were 100 Joules.
He tanked it, laughing.
However, because he's now facing magic, something he has not faced before, you don't need 110 Joules to KO him. Only 80 or 90.
I am making all the numbers up, obviously, so no need to attack me on these points. The main point is the relativity.
The Radiant's attack was so powerful, it beat Doomsday to a near death state - and destroyed a fifth of their planet. Do you think Radiant > the Guardians? Darkseid?
Of course, later on, Doomsday ADAPTED and tore him apart. So no, his natural durability - whilst pretty uber- is not the be all and end all.
Arguing for the sake of arguing? Why bring up the publication history of Doomsday? What difference does it make? He has been shown to adapt to new energies, as long as they are not powerful enough to KO him or kill him.
I'm not reading all that h1a8 shit.
Why does his durability decrease in face of magic? He's not Superman.
Yes, Radiant was Above Guardians. Not above Darkseid as Doomsday had grown far more powerful then.
He never adapted to HV. It hurt him in both DOS and HP. He never adapted to Omegas. He never adapted to Entropy.
Zeus is not beating him via energy blasts. Get the **** out of here with this magical BS.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not reading all that h1a8 shit.Why does his durability decrease in face of magic? He's not Superman.
Yes, Radiant was Above Guardians. Not above Darkseid as Doomsday had grown far more powerful then.
He never adapted to HV. It hurt him in both DOS and HP. He never adapted to Omegas. He never adapted to Entropy.
Zeus is not beating him via energy blasts. Get the **** out of here with this magical BS.
Wait, how did he grow more powerful? I thought he had his durability?
As Superman says - he EVOLVES to beat any opponent:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4163/snapshot074012.jpg
Where's the hurt from HV?
http://i.imgur.com/tM9z8dV.jpg
So yeah, no answer to my question about why you brought up the publication history. It has been written, and it is what he has and what he does. He evolves and adapts.
When did Entropy kill/KO him?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, how did he grow more powerful? I thought he had his durability?As Superman says - he EVOLVES to beat any opponent:
After getting killed.
Where's the hurt from HV?
http://i.imgur.com/tM9z8dV.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view¤t=hp_supes6.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view¤t=hp_supes7.jpg
So yeah, no answer to my question about why you brought up the publication history. It has been written, and it is what he has and what he does. He evolves and adapts.
I did because at the time of DOS his adaptation wasn't written in character.
So, he evolves and adapts against magic too. Zeus isn't as powerful as Entropy.
When did Entropy kill/KO him?
Both times in HP and OWAW.
Originally posted by abhilegend
After getting killed.http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view¤t=hp_supes6.jpg
http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view¤t=hp_supes7.jpg
I did because at the time of DOS his adaptation wasn't written in character.
So, he evolves and adapts against magic too. Zeus isn't as powerful as Entropy.
Both times in HP and OWAW.
My scan is from later in the comic. not to mention, your scans just show him being hit by it (if you didn't know, Superman's HV also has a concussive aspect to it) - he then walks around without a single indication he's being hurt, even has Superman is pouring it on.
So he has to be killed to adapt? No killing, no adapting?
Are you now agreeing with me that he can adapt and evolve? We can then move on?
Entropy succeeded because it is logically impossible for life to exist - because NOTHING exists. It's like asking what happened before the Big Bang.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My scan is from later in the comic. not to mention, your scans just show him being hit by it (if you didn't know, Superman's HV also has a concussive aspect to it) - he then walks around without a single indication he's being hurt, even has Superman is pouring it on.
He was shown hurt and wanted to stop the HV. Hence the boulder throw.
So he has to be killed to adapt? No killing, no adapting?
To evolve beyond the previous being who killed him.
Are you now agreeing with me that he can adapt and evolve? We can then move on?
He doesn't need that to beat the shit out of Zeus. Just like he didn't need it against Darkseid.
Originally posted by Sin I AMThe first scan you posted is from New Gods Vol.3 #15, written by John Byrne. The second scan is from Anarky Vol.1 #02, written by Alan Grant.
I know. I just remembered at one point message boards were running wild with darkseids "doombot" level avatars. Essentially writing all his losses off. In still not convinced it was him. Who wrote that arc Morrison?
Pretty much, everything that was thrown at Doomsday, only served to slow him down and make him madder, and make him stronger.
He caused backlashes, ignored, tanked, absorbed and outright used people's power against them at up to universal levels of power.
He's built to be a god killer.
Trying to get someone prove a negative is useless.
Instead, you need to work on proving your idea of how Zues running into a guy that's shown to wreck skyfathers as casually as a sunday walk, survives a beating from Doomsday if he doesn't BFR him or run for his life and actually battles him.
Doomsday is already evolved to a level beyond Zues by this point. HP was beyond amped Superman and Darkseid, and beings like Guardians and Waverider, etc.
He -adapts- to attacks, but on death he outright evolves to new incredible new heights of power and the method that beat him.
He encountered Guardians for the first time and was already more powerful and immediately adapted to their energy.
After his death to Superman, he became unstoppable, because he evolved beyond the level of power Superman used to beat him, which was the first time Superman dug into the well of his power and cut loose in the last couple pages of DOS. He knew if he didn't stop Doomsday, no one on Earth could.
To beat him after this required nothing short of entropy or BFR that we know of.
Originally posted by Juntai
Pretty much, everything that was thrown at Doomsday, only served to slow him down and make him madder, and make him stronger.
He caused backlashes, ignored, tanked, absorbed and outright used people's power against them at up to universal levels of power.He's built to be a god killer.
Trying to get someone prove a negative is useless.
Instead, you need to work on proving your idea of how Zues running into a guy that's shown to wreck skyfathers as casually as a sunday walk, survives a beating from Doomsday if he doesn't BFR him or run for his life and actually battles him.Doomsday is already evolved to a level beyond Zues by this point. HP was beyond amped Superman and Darkseid, and beings like Guardians and Waverider, etc.
He -adapts- to attacks, but on death he outright evolves to new incredible new heights of power and the method that beat him.
He encountered Guardians for the first time and was already more powerful and immediately adapted to their energy.After his death to Superman, he became unstoppable, because he evolved beyond the level of power Superman used to beat him, which was the first time Superman dug into the well of his power and cut loose in the last couple pages of DOS. He knew if he didn't stop Doomsday, no one on Earth could.
To beat him after this required nothing short of entropy or BFR that we know of.
Thats pretty much the thread.
Now the moans and crys will surface.
Originally posted by Mr MasterMostly a brick. He hasn't really any overt ability of his own beyond being the unstoppable object.
Is this Doomsday, all physical power, like a true brick? ... or does he employ actual, "powers?"Aside from automatic evolving of-course.
Thats why bfr is an option. The only real option.
Engaging in battle is like jumping into a woodchipper with prayers of victory.
