Originally posted by h1a8
Actually the comic points to Zeus being worthy. Thor said that the only beings that can halt Mjolnir is him and Odin (because they are worthy). Zeus says you can add me as well. Zeus being worthy doesn't take away Thors ability to call it back. The hammer aways returns to the thrower. Anyway, was Zeus worthy, did he use magic, or did he use strength? This is an important question because it shows how the feat is relevant to this fight.
H1, stop making up crap. If Zeus was worthy, the hammer would not have left his grip. It's that simple. It's very irritating that you keep assuming things like this with no on panel proof. Post a scan or something. Show Mjlonir leaving a worthy person going to someone else.
Originally posted by carver9Prove that Thor would not be able to call Mjolnir back if Zeus was Worthy.
H1, stop making up crap. If Zeus was worthy, the hammer would not have left his grip. It's that simple. It's very irritating that you keep assuming things like this with no on panel proof. Post a scan or something. Show Mjlonir leaving a worthy person going to someone else.
Also stop ignoring my post. That's trolling. I asked if Zeus wasn't worthy then how was he able to hold it? Did he use magic or strength?
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Thor would not be able to call Mjolnir back if Zeus was Worthy.Also stop ignoring my post. That's trolling. I asked if Zeus wasn't worthy then how was he able to hold it? Did he use magic or strength?
There were two times that I can recall where Thor lost Mjolnir to characters that bumped him out of the worthy spot. Red Norvell, and Beta Ray Bill. They also defeated Thor in combat. This is something that Zeus did not do, nor was he there to defeat Thor. He could have defeated him though.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Zeus being a sky father helps, any sk father level being in power/ arcane magic can override another beings enchantment, dormammu has done it before.But anyway Zeus a$$ rapes DD, when sky fathers cut lose in battle and not holding it won't end well for DD
Where has he defeated a character as powerful and formidable as Doomsday?
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Thor would not be able to call Mjolnir back if Zeus was Worthy.Also stop ignoring my post. That's trolling. I asked if Zeus wasn't worthy then how was he able to hold it? Did he use magic or strength?
Beta Ray Bill took his hammer from him and Storm did as well. He also couldn't summon it when She Thor got it. If you're worthy, the hammer is yours. If you're unworthy then the hammer isn't yours which is the reason Thor himself couldn't lift the hammer. The rules that apply to everyone else also applies to Thor. He has to be worthy to get it, if not, the hammer will reject him. It's not something that is attached to just him. You...
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't make a claim. Carver claimed that Zeus wasn't worthy because Thor was able to call it back. I stated that there is evidence that Zeus was Worthy because of what Thor said.
He wasn't worthy because if he was, the hammer would've stayed with him. Thor follows the same rules as everyone else does.
Originally posted by carver9
Beta Ray Bill took his hammer from him and Storm did as well. He also couldn't summon it when She Thor got it. If you're worthy, the hammer is yours. If you're unworthy then the hammer isn't yours which is the reason Thor himself couldn't lift the hammer. The rules that apply to everyone else also applies to Thor. He has to be worthy to get it, if not, the hammer will reject him. It's not something that is attached to just him. You...
Iirc Thor transformed to Blake when BRB transformed. He's no longer Worthy which is why he cannot summon it from Jane.
Originally posted by panthergod
Iirc Thor transformed to Blake when BRB transformed. He's no longer Worthy which is why he cannot summon it from Jane.
He had 60 seconds to turn. Doesn't matter. Numerous of peeps has wielded Mjlonir in front of Thor. Again, Thor follows the same rules as everyone else that tries to lift the hammer.
Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't worthy because if he was, the hammer would've stayed with him. Thor follows the same rules as everyone else does.
Originally posted by h1a8Also stop ignoring my post. That's trolling. I asked if Zeus wasn't worthy then how was he able to hold it? Did he use magic or strength?
Originally posted by h1a8NO
That's exactly what I'm arguing. It cant be lifted upward but it could be held above the ground by someone's body.This contradicts being able to hold it without it dropping to the ground. I'll prove it.
If the hammer can't be held in the air without it dropping then that means the hammer applies the countering upward lifting force PLUS it's weight as the net downward force. This will crush anyone it rests on.
For example, assuming the weight of the hammer is 40lbs, if a character applies an upward force of 100lbs. to the hammer then the hammer applies a downward force of 100lbs. (countering the upward force) PLUS 40lbs. for a total of 140lbs downward. This is because the net force is always its weight.
So if the body applies an upward normal force of 40 lbs when the hammer rests on top of it then the hammer should apply that force PLUS its weight and crush the individual (since the net force is downward).
In summary, either the hammer always applies a net force of its weigh (crushing anyone it's rests on) or it applies a net force of 0 when it's in contact with a person.
It's more like the hammer is bound to the Earth regardless of making direct contact with it. The downward force of the hammer never changes, it's just it's inertia becomes in all intents and purposes magically "infinite" with mass being irrelevant
Originally posted by carver9
He had 60 seconds to turn. Doesn't matter. Numerous of peeps has wielded Mjlonir in front of Thor. Again, Thor follows the same rules as everyone else that tries to lift the hammer.
Yes. Characters that aren't fully worthy can briefly hold the hammer as shown by Trials of Thor iirc.
If so, that could explain how a fully Worthy Thor could summon the Hammer from Zeus.
Originally posted by panthergod
Just like Thor was in that young Thor series as h1a8 pointed out. This idea has precedent. And it was a hypothetical anyway.
Here's the scene...
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsZeus01Annual08.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsZeus02.jpg.html
Originally posted by panthergod
So didn't hold it, now? People who aren't worthy can overcome the enchant via sheer power?
No, I don't believe Zeus overcame the enchantment of worthiness.
Thor clearly noted that Zeus was momentarily able to keep Mjolnir from him. I don't believe that meant him overpowering the enchantment. It'd have been a much bigger deal and more noteworthy in that fight due to the very nature of the worthy enchantment being so legendary imho.
I said the exact opposite of that.
