Originally posted by h1a8It doesn't ignore an unworthy person underneath it to reach Earth with irresistible force, it just can't be lifted from it's vertical position by them to remove it. It only has as much momentum as gravity allows or whatever velocity Thor gives it by throwing it unless we're talking when he recalls it than it can rip past mostly anyone trying to stop it.
What happens if Mjolnir is placed on someone? Does it still fall at 9.8m/s^2 towards the ground (crushing them)?Now if it doesn't crush them and their body just holds Mjolnir up from the ground then what if someone lie on their stomach with elbows on the ground with forearms vertical to the sky and palms horizontally flat facing up. Mjolnir is placed on their palm (which is supported vertically with their forearm and elbow on the ground. What happens?
It "crushes" as much as a non-magical object would that weighs whatever Mjolnir weighs
Originally posted by psycho gundamThat's exactly what I'm arguing. It cant be lifted upward but it could be held above the ground by someone's body.
It doesn't ignore an unworthy person underneath it to reach Earth with irresistible force, it just can't be lifted from it's vertical position by them to remove it. It only has as much momentum as gravity allows or whatever velocity Thor gives it by throwing it unless we're talking when he recalls it than it can rip past mostly anyone trying to stop it.It "crushes" as much as a non-magical object would that weighs whatever Mjolnir weighs
This contradicts being able to hold it without it dropping to the ground. I'll prove it.
If the hammer can't be held in the air without it dropping then that means the hammer applies the countering upward lifting force PLUS it's weight as the net downward force. This will crush anyone it rests on.
For example, assuming the weight of the hammer is 40lbs, if a character applies an upward force of 100lbs. to the hammer then the hammer applies a downward force of 100lbs. (countering the upward force) PLUS 40lbs. for a total of 140lbs downward. This is because the net force is always its weight.
So if the body applies an upward normal force of 40 lbs when the hammer rests on top of it then the hammer should apply that force PLUS its weight and crush the individual (since the net force is downward).
In summary, either the hammer always applies a net force of its weigh (crushing anyone it's rests on) or it applies a net force of 0 when it's in contact with a person.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's exactly what I'm arguing. It cant be lifted upward but it could be held above the ground by someone's body.This contradicts being able to hold it without it dropping to the ground. I'll prove it.
If the hammer can't be held in the air without it dropping then that means the hammer applies the countering upward lifting force PLUS it's weight as the net downward force. This will crush anyone it rests on.
For example, assuming the weight of the hammer is 40lbs, if a character applies an upward force of 100lbs. to the hammer then the hammer applies a downward force of 100lbs. (countering the upward force) PLUS 40lbs. for a total of 140lbs downward. This is because the net force is always its weight.
So if the body applies an upward normal force of 40 lbs when the hammer rests on top of it then the hammer should apply that force PLUS its weight and crush the individual (since the net force is downward).
In summary, either the hammer always applies a net force of its weigh (crushing anyone it's rests on) or it applies a net force of 0 when it's in contact with a person.
So you agree that no one can hold it with their hands if they are not worthy?
Originally posted by carver9Not if he was partially worthy. Remember the trials of Thor? The more Thor became worthy the higher he was able to lift it. I'm not saying this is the case with Zeus, but it could be. When I first read the comic years ago I initially thought Zeus was worthy. That was the impression. Now I'm not too sure.
With that said, that was a huge ft of Zeus catching Mjlonir like that and holding on to it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Not if he was partially worthy. Remember the trials of Thor? The more Thor became worthy the higher he was able to lift it. I'm not saying this is the case with Zeus, but it could be. When I first read the comic years ago I initially thought Zeus was worthy. That was the impression. Now I'm not too sure.
Zeus wasn't worthy because as soon as Zeus caught it and Thor realized what happened, Thor summoned it back to himself. If Zeus was Worthy, the hammer would've stayed with Zeus. Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.
Originally posted by carver9
Zeus wasn't worthy because as soon as Zeus caught it and Thor realized what happened, Thor summoned it back to himself. If Zeus was Worthy, the hammer would've stayed with Zeus. Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.
At best it means that Thor is more worthy than Zeus.
Originally posted by carver9
Zeus wasn't worthy because as soon as Zeus caught it and Thor realized what happened, Thor summoned it back to himself. If Zeus was Worthy, the hammer would've stayed with Zeus. Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.
Zeus appeared to be as worthy as Red Norvell was. Perhaps Zeus had to defeat Thor in combat in order to claim Mjolnir as his own? Zeus wasn't really there to defeat Thor though so...
Originally posted by carver9Actually the comic points to Zeus being worthy. Thor said that the only beings that can halt Mjolnir is him and Odin (because they are worthy). Zeus says you can add me as well. Zeus being worthy doesn't take away Thors ability to call it back. The hammer aways returns to the thrower. Anyway, was Zeus worthy, did he use magic, or did he use strength? This is an important question because it shows how the feat is relevant to this fight.
Zeus wasn't worthy because as soon as Zeus caught it and Thor realized what happened, Thor summoned it back to himself. If Zeus was Worthy, the hammer would've stayed with Zeus. Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.
Originally posted by h1a8
Not if he was partially worthy. Remember the trials of Thor? The more Thor became worthy the higher he was able to lift it. I'm not saying this is the case with Zeus, but it could be. When I first read the comic years ago I initially thought Zeus was worthy. That was the impression. Now I'm not too sure.