Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? If Beyonder fails against Odin's power, that means Odin is more powerful than him.You are simply not understanding how comics work.
No you're over generalizing. I said if beyonder used just strength hed fail. Just like if odin used just strength hed fail. Take the other powere out of play
Originally posted by Sin I AM
No you're over generalizing. I said if beyonder used just strength hed fail. Just like if odin used just strength hed fail. Take the other powere out of play
Strength IS power too if you don't know.
So TOAA will fail too if he wants to lift mjolnir with just strength, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalmStrength IS power too if you don't know.
So TOAA will fail too if he wants to lift mjolnir with just strength, right?
Abhi look i like u..i really do. I know you're a flagrant fanboy and i respect that because atleast youre consistent. Atleast u back up ypur points with scans and whatnot (however out of context they may be). But if you want me to continue to talk to u like a man i will. If u want me to talk to u like a bitcch i can do that too. U know damn well what i mean. Has anyone EVER lifted mjolnir by using strength alone? No. Unless u can prove otherwise stop with the bs. Is toaa in this debate? No. It's hypothetical made up imaginary strong guy vs mjolnirs enchantment. It's on u to prove that it can be done. Hell if u can post a scan of someone budging mjolnir with solely strength id concede. Because atleast then youd have a basis for your argument.
Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant!To claim that Mjolnir can not be lifted due to a magical spell is valid. But to claim Mjolnir can't be broken with physical force is wrong. Mjolnir has been broken with pure physical force before. So either the character lifts it or just breaks Mjolnir without lifting it.
Nowhere did I "claim Mjolnir can't be broken with physical force." I said, right in my post, that Mjolnir can be crushed. When I say the hammer ignores strength altogether, I'm suggesting that the upward lifting force that your unworthy hypothetical character is trying to exert is negated. Due to magic Mjolnir hasn't, to my knowledge, been lifted through pure brute force so it's reasonable to suggest that the hammer's enchantment bypasses strength altogether.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Abhi look i like u..i really do. I know you're a flagrant fanboy and i respect that because atleast youre consistent. Atleast u back up ypur points with scans and whatnot (however out of context they may be). But if you want me to continue to talk to u like a man i will. If u want me to talk to u like a bitcch i can do that too. U know damn well what i mean. Has anyone EVER lifted mjolnir by using strength alone? No. Unless u can prove otherwise stop with the bs. Is toaa in this debate? No. It's hypothetical made up imaginary strong guy vs mjolnirs enchantment. It's on u to prove that it can be done. Hell if u can post a scan of someone budging mjolnir with solely strength id concede. Because atleast then youd have a basis for your argument.
Well, no limit fallacy has a new fan in you I think.
Keep going though. This is just amusing at this point.
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Nowhere did I "claim Mjolnir can't be broken with physical force." I said, right in my post, that Mjolnir can be crushed. When I say the hammer ignores strength altogether, I'm suggesting that the upward lifting force that your unworthy hypothetical character is trying to exert is negated. Due to magic Mjolnir hasn't, to my knowledge, been lifted through pure brute force so it's reasonable to suggest that the hammer's enchantment bypasses strength altogether.
Who is the strongest being who failed to lift it?
Originally posted by Sin I AMThor budged it with strength alone in his trials.
Abhi look i like u..i really do. I know you're a flagrant fanboy and i respect that because atleast youre consistent. Atleast u back up ypur points with scans and whatnot (however out of context they may be). But if you want me to continue to talk to u like a man i will. If u want me to talk to u like a bitcch i can do that too. U know damn well what i mean. Has anyone EVER lifted mjolnir by using strength alone? No. Unless u can prove otherwise stop with the bs. Is toaa in this debate? No. It's hypothetical made up imaginary strong guy vs mjolnirs enchantment. It's on u to prove that it can be done. Hell if u can post a scan of someone budging mjolnir with solely strength id concede. Because atleast then youd have a basis for your argument.
Originally posted by Sin I AMThen how can I see the obvious when you can't? If Mjolnir can't be lifted by strength (no limits fallacy ) then it can be broken. This is easy to understand.
I agree that you're a dumbassWhen did i say that? I said if beyonder tried lifting mjolnir with strength alone hed fail. Has mjolnir been lifted by strength alone? Stop being so coy abhi..if u wanna dance just ask stop beating around the bush
You are scared to say that Mjolnir both won't be lifted or broken because you would look like an ass when someone proves it can be broken.
The thread is simple. Mjolnir will be lifted or Mjolnir will be broken. You are changing the thread into Mjolnir will be lifted or Mjolnir will not be lifted.
Originally posted by h1a8
The thread is simple. Mjolnir will be lifted or Mjolnir will be broken. You are changing the thread into Mjolnir will be lifted or Mjolnir will not be lifted.
Using a basic sales tactic of trying to force readers to choose between 2 choices that are desirable to you doesn't automatically make either of your choices correct.
Originally posted by burrrrrr
Using a basic sales tactic of trying to force readers to choose between 2 choices that are desirable to you doesn't automatically make either of your choices correct.
Then you champion the argument that Mjolnir can't be lifted or broken (that's the third option).
But this option doesn't exist since we know Mjolnir can be broken by physical force.
So it leaves with only 2 options. The ones I named.
Oh my gosh, this is even discussed? Ok, I admit I don't bother to read the no limit fallacy nonsense I expect to see on the last pages. Obviously there are two fractions, one believes that Magic has no limits and everything else does and the others believe that Magic can be overcome with enough force, like Juggernauts instopabbility...
So let's put the no limits fallacy and it's supporters to the test.
LT decides to lift Mjolnir with physical strength alone, he creates an indestructible ground where it rests and he decides to be unworthy, now he amps his physical strength with all the Omniversal energy at his command to lift it.
a) Will he fail to lift it and destroy it?
b) Will he fail to lift and not even damage it?
c) Will he lift it?
Just curious.
Edit: The Enchantment was made by an being with limited powers, everything that can surprass this power, energy/strength/magic, should by all means be able to overcome this.