Originally posted by Sin I AMYou seem to not understand common sense. This this is about whether Mjolnir will be lifted or broken. If the enchantment keeps the hammer from being lifted then there is pressure on Mjolnir when it is attempted to be lifted. If the enchantment is strong enough and the lifting force is great enough then Mjolnir will break under the pressure. If you are arguing that Mjolnir will not be lifted then you must accept that it will get broken instead (while still not being lifted).
No. And your train of thought seems to be too one dimensional to grasp my example. But i will try to explain one more time for shits and giggles. In the Sword and the Stone ( a myth telling of Authur becoming king) there was a saying that "whosoever pulls this sword from the stone is the rightful king of England". Men from all over and of great strength came to move the sword. All failed. Not because they werent strong enough but because "they" were not meant to move it. Mjolnir is just this times one million. If you're using solely strength to budge an object that requires a different method to lift it you're essentially failing. You're trying to force us to prove it's infinitely durable when durability has nothing to do with it. Your derailing the topic by arguing points that have zero bearing. Unless you have a scan of someone making it budge on strength alone i fail to see the purpose of this thread other than your normal day to day posts that only manage to ruffle feathers...
Your Excalibur analogy is faulty since the sword can be destroyed and broken with sufficient force. It can be snapped in half. If Mjolnir can't be lifted then it will be broken in the process.
Now if you are arguing that the enchantment will protect Mjolnir from being broken then this is a different story. Are you?
Originally posted by h1a8
You seem to not understand common sense. This this is about whether Mjolnir will be lifted or broken. If the enchantment keeps the hammer from being lifted then there is pressure on Mjolnir when it is attempted to be lifted. If the enchantment is strong enough and the lifting force is great enough then Mjolnir will break under the pressure. If you are arguing that Mjolnir will not be lifted then you must accept that it will get broken instead (while still not being lifted).Your Excalibur analogy is faulty since the sword can be destroyed and broken with sufficient force. It can be snapped in half. If Mjolnir can't be lifted then it will be broken in the process.
Now if you are arguing that the enchantment will protect Mjolnir from being broken then this is a different story. Are you?
But its magic.....why are you applying physics and scientific laws to it?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Apparently you don't know how to read comics? Since when is the enchantment on mjolnir infinite in power? Or how is a legend of Excalibur in real life relevant here?Say pre-retcon Beyonder wants to lift the hammer? He can't, right?
Beyonder could lift it, or just make his own.
My take is that the enchantment isn't infinite. Nothing is unless specified or shown by narration.
We also seen Thor lift Mjolnir an inch when he wasn't worthy. So there are various levels of worthiness.
Also the enchantment doesn't protect Mjolnir from being broken since Mjolnir has been broken many times.
So either Mjolnir is lifted instantly or it breaks instantly. These are the only options that exists.
For those who disagree and believe the hammer will not be lifted or broken with infinite force then you must explain how Mjolnir has been broken and you must also prove that the enchantment has infinite power.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Magic is science. Just more sophisticated.
But its magic.....why are you applying physics and scientific laws to it?
I'm applying logic actually. If Mjolnir resists infinite force then the enchantment is of infinite power.
And if you believe that the enchantment grants Mjolnir infinite durability (so that it won't get broken) then you are suggesting that Mjolnir is completely indestructible when it is lying on the ground.
Originally posted by h1a8
Magic is science. Just more sophisticated.I'm applying logic actually. If Mjolnir resists infinite force then the enchantment is of infinite power.
And if you believe that the enchantment grants Mjolnir infinite durability (so that it won't get broken) then you are suggesting that Mjolnir is completely indestructible when it is lying on the ground.
No, magic is not science or even logical...not in a comic book where the rules and logic within the story are always controlled and changed by the whim of forces (writers) outside of the story
It seems that, for the unworthy, the hammer ignores strength altogether for the purpose of lifting. Sufficiently powerful cosmic or magical beings like Odin or Molecule Man can certainly override the enchantment. A physically strong enough being could just crush the hammer as well. You're not going to get a perfectly logical explanation until one is created in story.
Originally posted by h1a8
You seem to not understand common sense. This this is about whether Mjolnir will be lifted or broken. If the enchantment keeps the hammer from being lifted then there is pressure on Mjolnir when it is attempted to be lifted. If the enchantment is strong enough and the lifting force is great enough then Mjolnir will break under the pressure. If you are arguing that Mjolnir will not be lifted then you must accept that it will get broken instead (while still not being lifted).Your Excalibur analogy is faulty since the sword can be destroyed and broken with sufficient force. It can be snapped in half. If Mjolnir can't be lifted then it will be broken in the process.
Now if you are arguing that the enchantment will protect Mjolnir from being broken then this is a different story. Are you?
Maybe it was too subtle for u to grasp. My point is that mjolnir NEVER has been lifted by physical strength alone and never will. If ud care to prove otherwise im all ears
Originally posted by abhilegend
Apparently you don't know how to read comics? Since when is the enchantment on mjolnir infinite in power? Or how is a legend of Excalibur in real life relevant here?Say pre-retcon Beyonder wants to lift the hammer? He can't, right?
If he is trying to lift it with STRENGTH alone then no he cannot. y are u going off topic