5 dimensional Imps Or the NEW Beyonders

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree.

👆 Nice digital close-ups, no one can argue your truth.

... oh Hickman, the only possible stipulation here
is that for whateva wtf reason the Beyonders manifest in vulnerable forms outside the Beyond Realm.

Perhaps this is why Owen had "draw them out" of the Beyond Realm before blowing those Beyonders up.

What do you think G?

When the 3 Beyonders killed every Celestial and LT, they appeared to do so within 'normal space':
http://i.imgur.com/QgAC4pJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2JJzIHn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rhqrOYd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GWtojNB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6chTFsg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J1a3SaL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O3qf0xr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/poFJPnG.jpg

...So I'm not really sure what the difference would have been when they confronted Thor/Hype..? I really think Hickman just dropped the ball there, and didn't adequately explain the particulars behind the scene. /shrug

I mean, I don't really understand the difference in their physical appearances, either. In one comic, the Beyonders appear as Godlike super-scientists:

In the next comic, they look like Transformers with Down's Syndrome... Some of them looked like Fighter Jets, complete with landing gear and Gatling Guns, ffs:

srsly

The bearded Broforce > Beyonders, Thorfact.

Anyway, Mxy alone would beat pre rec Beyonder and should stalemate the Beyonders as a race, in a funny way. The whole 5D imp race would go through all known Beyonders, pre rec or not, like jarnbjorn and atomic fists through overrated metal.

Originally posted by Galan007

I'm honestly unsure.

When the 3 Beyonders killed every Celestial and LT, they appeared to do so within 'normal space'

The difference is, against the cosmics there wasn't any jobbing, just attacking.
While against the heroes, they're boasting during the fight, taking their time,
the boxed-shaped Beyonder did nothing to Ex/Nihilo, it just stood there waiting to get affected:

... 'no, no please, be my guest and warp the shit out of me while I stand here transfixed by your efforts' 😂

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And remember Owen needed to draw them out of the Beyond Realm before attacking. Interesting.

When they spoke from withIN the Beyond Realm, Hickman portrays them as God imo. The lettering and all.

I wonder.

Originally posted by Galan007

I really think Hickman just dropped the ball there, and didn't adequately explain the particulars behind the scene. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007

I mean, I don't really understand the difference in their appearances, either. In one comic, the Beyonders appear as Godlike super-scientists. In the next comic, they look like Transformers with Down's Syndrome... Some of them looked like Fighter Jets, complete with landing gear and Gatling Guns, ffs:

Originally posted by Mr Master
When they spoke from withIN the Beyond Realm, Hickman portrays them as God imo. The lettering and all.

I wonder.

Originally posted by Mr Master
🤨 You see G, what the hell does this mean?

Evidently the artist of #32 just felt like drawing them differently that day... Evidently he wanted the fans to have a good laugh. ermm

Originally posted by Galan007

Maybe they are formless within the Beyond Realm? Again, I'm unsure.

They did seem more ... majestic, when speaking from within the Beyond Realm, imo:

Originally posted by Galan007

We know via on-panel info that the Beyonders who confronted the 'Multiversal Avengers' in NA #32 are the exact same Beyonders who wiped out the cosmic hierarchy in NA #30.

Hey from the scans you showed me, is Hickman saying that the Beyonders created the multiverse?

What "universes" is Owen talking about?
Why's the context of his explanation telling me:
the BeyonderS were unhappy with their work (creation/reality) and decided to end it to start over again?

Originally posted by Galan007

the artist of #32 just felt like drawing them differently that day... Evidently he wanted the fans to have a good laugh.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey from the scans you showed me, is Hickman saying that the Beyonders created the multiverse?

What "universes" is Owen talking about?
Why's the context of his explanation telling me:
the BeyonderS were unhappy with their work (creation/reality) and decided to end it to start over again?

😂

Based on that, I suppose we can conclude that the Beyonders may have been the architects of the multiverse. The ultimately got bored/unhappy with their creation and engineered Owen as a means to destroy it. Why? It's impossible to know with certainty.

One thing that throws a wrench into that idea is the Living Tribunal. He was created by TOAA. He literally embodied the multiverse. How could he have embodied the multiverse if it was entirely their creation..? /shrug

A good way to save the Beyonder's lack luster showings is to make this just an experiment.

Maybe the Beyonders been watching them all this time and they wanted to see how far and different the rest of the multiverse were to them.

Let's also say they purposely weakened themselves after confronting the LT, just because they don't want there experiment to end too soon.

Originally posted by Galan007

....DozenS were sent to kill Thor/Hype, when only 3 had killed every single cosmic being in Marvel's hierarchy(inc. LT.) Only in carver's world is there nothing wrong with that.

g007-psyduck

seriously..... smdh indeed. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007

Based on that, I suppose we can conclude that the Beyonders may have been the architects of the multiverse.

that's what i took from that scene when i first read it.... shrug

^^ 3 of us (u included) came up with the same interpretation. I think it's safe to say that's what it means. 🙂

It's so disappointing because Hickman had such a good run on F4. This shit is unbelievably disappointing. 👇

Originally posted by Cogito
It's so disappointing because Hickman had such a good run on F4. This shit is unbelievably disappointing. 👇

Unfortunately Secret Wars has been lackluster as a whole, and downright awful at times. Real shame, because I know how good Hickman can be when he's on point.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hickman's work on Fantastic Four, FF, and S.H.I.E.L.D. remains to be some of the best comic material I have ever read. No joke. It was phenomenal.

Unfortunately Secret Wars has been lackluster as a whole, and downright awful at times. Real shame, because I know how good Hickman can be when he's on point.

Did S.H.I.E.L.D. ever get finished? I think I read like half a dozen issues?

Originally posted by Cogito
Did S.H.I.E.L.D. ever get finished? I think I read like half a dozen issues?

In an interview way back, Hickman said that he'd conclude the series after some of his other projects(ie. Secret Wars) wrapped up, but I doubt that'll ever happen. It's already been 3 years since the last issue was released. srsly

Originally posted by Mr Master

'bout time you switched your avatar. Dig it. 👆

^^ Thanx buddy. I'll be doing that through out halloween eve/day. Characters of the holiday. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
3 Beyonders killed LT and the entire cosmic hierarchy. Thor and Hype rolled through dozens of them.

Only in carver's world does that balance out.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The bearded Broforce > Beyonders, Thorfact.

Anyway, Mxy alone would beat pre rec Beyonder and should stalemate the Beyonders as a race, in a funny way. The whole 5D imp race would go through all known Beyonders, pre rec or not, like jarnbjorn and atomic fists through overrated metal.

Plot Induced Stupidity just like Pre-Retcon Beyonder/The Beyonders have its true weaknesses for Omnipotent beings...

The Beyonders get my vote killing LT is....just a major feat....f*** the PIS+CIS Hickman logic.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
You are seriously high.....just stop...
Pre-Retcon Beyonder > Mr.Mxyzptlk
Post-Retcon Beyonder <Mr.Mxyzptlk

Nope

Originally posted by Zack M
Nope