Lucifer Vs Thanos (Classic IG)

Originally posted by leonidas

was it stated in the next book that lt>IG? yes.

What "next book" you referring to old friend?

In the next book all we got was this:

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Adam is still the "Supreme Being" ...

Adam has "Godhood"

Adam is "Omnipotence"

Adam is "Divinity" ... and "Infallible" due to "Omnipotence"

Adam is "GOD" ... "Supremacy"

"Master of All Time-Space-Power and Reality" ...

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You'll have to show me where in the next book it was confirmed .... LT > IG.

I never read any statement on panel that suggests what you're saying.

*edit .. I'll be the bigger man.

Originally posted by Galan007

Were you crying? I picture you crying

Now, that you vented last, let's move on. stoned

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
From the quotes and all. Is it just me or did a dimwit argued that TOAA > God (Marvel) = IG = God (Vertigo/DC). That's the only conclusion one cam draw from this biased pile of BS of a braindead child.

Marvel's TOAA:

You were saying? 🙄

Originally posted by leonidas

has ALWAYS represented this higher power/toaa. but representing does NOT, in any way at mean, imply he is using the POWER of. in fact, is there in existence, even ONE scan that definitively shows lt actually ACCESSING the power of the one he represents? i know forum myths have sprung up to attempt to explain away some of his poor showings as NOT being 'backed' by toaa, but is there ANY scene that actually, clearly proves that lt even CAN have access to more or less power than on other occasions? if there is, i've never seen them.

LT literally stated: "I represent forces that dwarf even your might"

Why would Starlin write that if the LT didn't have access?
Who cares what power he "represents" if he can't use said power?
If this "represented" power is moot, why even mention it?
What's the point of "representing" this "force" if it's not gonna help in any way?

You feel me good friend?

Originally posted by zopzop

Vertigo's "God" admitting he was shaped by external forces :

Marvel's TOAA:

You were saying?

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The Presence, according to God-like Synnar, is Not "supreme," and Not "all knowing."

Synnar created and maintained every alt reality DC has,
he fought against EVERYONE in divine Heaven and beat them down.
Synnar (the second most powerful being in DC at the time) makes assertive statements about his creator:

Not all-knowing

"The Presence ... He was NOT truly Supreme, merely superior" ...

... ouch ...

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I don't have the full page ... so bite me.

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Also, wasn't the Presence exploited by Carnivore?

I heard the Presence was usurped by Two Giants, whatever their names.

Is GodSwampThing the Presence's equal, as well as the GreatEvilBeast?

^ Asmodel made the exact same claims about the presence and was actually proven to be wrong in the end. Twice even. Same thing happened with Wotan who had a big mouth but was completely baffled when he actually confronted/challenged the supreme being.

Character statements are completely meaningless especially when they're made about forces far too big to comprehend (God).

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ... Certain cats are too busy hatin to see the details of my truth.

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The Presence, according to God-like Synnar, is Not "supreme," and Not "all knowing."

Synnar created and maintained every alt reality DC has,
he fought against EVERYONE in divine Heaven and beat them down.
Synnar (the second most powerful being in DC at the time) makes assertive statements about his creator:

Not all-knowing

"The Presence ... He was NOT truly Supreme, merely superior" ...

... ouch ...

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I don't have the full page ... so bite me.

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And here's the full scan of the page that panel you posted came from Mr. M:

Also, [b]wasn't the Presence exploited by Carnivore?

I heard the Presence was usurped by Two Giants, whatever their names.

Is GodSwampThing the Presence's equal, as well as the GreatEvilBeast? [/B]

Confirmed by Lucifer

Originally posted by operator616
^ Asmodel made the exact same claims about the presence and was actually proven to be wrong in the end. Twice even. Same thing happened with Wotan who had a big mouth but was completely baffled when he actually confronted/challenged the supreme being.

Character statements are completely meaningless especially when they're made about forces far too big to comprehend (God).

Yep. Good point.

Originally posted by zopzop

Oh it gets better, there was a time before DC's "God" became self aware 😄

And here's the full scan of the page that panel you posted came from Mr. M:

Yup.
GEB stalemating "God"

Confirmed by Lucifer

Originally posted by zopzop

He says All the forces at the Presence's command was thrown at him ... and Syn won.

Where's this scene from?

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So GEB is = to the Presence and Synnar it seems likewise. What about GodSwampThing and Elaine?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wait a minute, I just noticed he says he became the Presence's "equal." 🙂

He says All the forces at the Presence's command was thrown at him ... and Syn won.

Where's this scene from?

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So GEB is = to the Presence and Synnar it seems likewise. What about GodSwampThing and Elaine?

You know bad guys love to do this thing call boasting right?

Also GEB was the darker side of the Presence.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wait a minute, I just noticed he says he became the Presence's "equal." 🙂

He says All the forces at the Presence's command was thrown at him ... and Syn won.

Where's this scene from?

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So GEB is = to the Presence and Synnar it seems likewise. What about GodSwampThing and Elaine?

And yes, Synnar stomped all of his creation. I say his creation because DC's "God" didn't create anything, he had Synnar do it.

Elaine is Vertigo "God" now because Vertigo's original "God" up and left.

GodSwampThing was all talk IMHO. But if you are to believe the hype, it said he could unseat the Presence!

😆

So much fail.

Originally posted by SquallX

You know bad guys love to do this thing call boasting right?

How was he "boasting?" Did he not repel everything thrown at him?

Was he not the creator of everything or whatever?

Damn, if that would've been taking place in Marvel yall would've been dancing all over it.

I feel like a republican at msnbc. 😂

Originally posted by SquallX

Also GEB was the darker side of the Presence.

So, that's at-least Two supreme beings walking around.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wait a minute, I just noticed he says he became the Presence's "equal." 🙂

He says All the forces at the Presence's command was thrown at him ... and Syn won.

Where's this scene from?

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So GEB is = to the Presence and Synnar it seems likewise. What about GodSwampThing and Elaine?

Rann/Thanagar holy war #6.

If by won you mean he was reduced into an atom, then yes, Synnar won in a very spectacular fashion.

GEB is not equal to the presence since he was contained initially, and then after their supposed "stalemate" GEB was never seen again while Presence was.

Lucifer series revolved around the fact that Lucifer wanted to be independent from the Presence but struggled to do so because of his creator's omniscience. He even discovered that his whole "rebellion" was actually part of the Presence's plan (this is important because Synnar also rebelled). Only Lucifer is smart enough to see when he's been played unlike Synnar who's stupid.

Hey, Op.

According to the solicitations, someone killed God.

Current lucifer series, btw

Originally posted by operator616

Rann/Thanagar holy war #6.

Originally posted by operator616

If by won you mean he was reduced into an atom, then yes, Synnar won in a very spectacular fashion.

Originally posted by operator616

GEB is not equal to the presence since he was contained initially, and then after their supposed "stalemate" GEB was never seen again while Presence was.

I'm not surprised this GEB slipped into obscurity. But it's last depiction was GEB is = to the Presence.

Originally posted by operator616

Lucifer series revolved around the fact that Lucifer wanted to be independent from the Presence but struggled to do so because of his creator's omniscience. He even discovered that his whole "rebellion" was actually part of the Presence's plan (this is important because Synnar also rebelled). Only Lucifer is smart enough to see when he's been played unlike Synnar who's stupid.

Did Synnar get the same amount of time to ponder his paradox?

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂 ... that is kinda funny.

I'm a good sport. I can make fun of myself.

If your cool enough to take a joke, I'm cool enough to back off.

But be warned🙂

Originally posted by Zack M
Hey, Op.

According to the solicitations, someone killed God.

Yup, and the one who "supposedly" killed him will be revealed in the first arc.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Just because writers haven't used this spectacularly boring cat again doesn't mean it's non-existent.
I mean certain characters can only work once, like Abraxas for instance, otherwise they're redundant.

I'm not surprised this GEB slipped into obscurity. But it's last depiction was GEB is = to the Presence.

Interesting. How long did it take Lucifer to realize this?

Did Synnar get the same amount of time to ponder his paradox?

There's still the fact that GEB was initially contained and was then awakened to challenge heaven.

Chronologically it was first mentioned in the Sandman series (the scene was revisited later on in Lucifer) which takes place right before the lucifer series started when Lucifer stepped down from the throne. I forgot the exact wordage he used but i think Lucifer said that he "always" knew or at least doubted that his rebellion was actually legit.

Yes, he had a very, very long time to ponder about this. About as much as Lucifer since both of them rebelled at the dawn of creation.

Originally posted by operator616

There's still the fact that GEB was initially contained and was then awakened to challenge heaven.

Chronologically it was first mentioned in the Sandman series (the scene was revisited later on in Lucifer) which takes place right before the lucifer series started when Lucifer stepped down from the throne. I forgot the exact wordage he used but i think Lucifer said that he "always" knew or at least doubted that his rebellion was actually legit.

Originally posted by operator616

Yes, he had a very, very long time to ponder about this.
About as much as Lucifer since both of them rebelled at the dawn of creation.

Mind you, I'm learning as I go. You know I'm DC ignorant.