Originally posted by Mr Master
Goodness can't you debate without being such a jerk? I never made any claims dogs, all I stated was a FACT!
Well I can but why bother?
TOAA is the representative avatars of the writers/artists of Marvel. They (writers/artists) ALL make up the same idea. (TOAA)
So obviously when a writer, any writer changes some shit, it's TOAA doing it.
No, it is not. HOTI failed in its job.
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Damn take a break for a sec and just be ... jesus.
How you figure?
"The Infinity Gauntlet [b]granted me mastery of all Time, Space, Power, Reality, the Mind and the Soul, but it was external control."
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That seems eerily familiar to Starlin's description of the classic IG.
... "Master ... controller ... of All Time-Space ... Reality" ...
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TOAA's in-universe power (HOTI) > IG
👆 [/B]
Both are less than omnipotent as both failed in their job.
Bleed more.
Originally posted by DiesldudeI was under the impression that when they said Gods in plural,
it meant Gods like Odin, Thor, Zeus and not The God.
But I'm more willing to think Starlin is referring to the other IG wielders. (like Thanos etc)
Originally posted by abhilegendWell I can but why bother?
Originally posted by abhilegendNo, it is not.
HOTI failed in its job.
"HOTI failed?" ... Interesting. So, the "flaw" was never eradicated/fixed? We must be looking at different books.
Originally posted by abhilegendBoth are less than omnipotent as both failed in their job.
Bleed more.
As far as the IG or the HOTI being "less than omnipotent?"
***** Jim Starlin in 2015 (post-Hickman) *****
"The Infinity Gauntlet, which gave him control of all facets of Existence."
"Limitless power you yourself eventually gained" ...
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The Heart of the Infinite is another run at OMNIPOTENCE! like the Infinity Gauntlet!
"AGAIN becoming omnipotent, in effect transforming into a Supreme Being."
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Yes, we know the HOTI is a notch above, but both grant "omnipotence."
You don't like it, write Marvel a letter ans complain. 🙂
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Please abhi, no more ideas coming straight for your chocolate highway. 👆
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The Presence gaining self-awareness ... becoming a sentient entity ... then creates an architect named Synnar:
"From nothing ... Beginning of Time, before there was anything Before the Supreme One became self-aware."
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The Living Tribunal gaining self-awareness ... becoming a sentient entity ... then Infinity/Eternity are created as the architects:
"Nothing. Once that was all there was. Or wasn't. But beauty was desecrated by the advent of self-awareness."
"So proclaim the stars and their creator, Infinity"
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Interesting. stoned
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool, I get it, and I believe you, I would like to see it though.Question friend: What do you mean by the "Presence was still active while acknowledging that GEB instance?"
I'm lost there.
My current computer is filled with viruses and is slow as shit which is why i think it's not able to upload scans.
The Presence and GEB were meant to be locked in an eternal stalemate (see the scene which Zop posted about Presence/GEB arm wrestling); the fact that the Spectre v2 series begins with the Presence acknowledging this very same instance (the war between heaven and hell) and actively depowering Spectre means that he came out the victor. Otherwise, he couldn't have depowered the spectre and GEB would have been roaming free again. And i repeat: GEB was also contained initially, so the Presence seems to be edging out the GEB in terms of power even though they seem to be close.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool, then proceed to for-fill your purpose. I won't wonder anymore where your unprovoked loathing rises from.
Loathing? Cool it down child. You're just throwing a temper tantrum now.
"It's not?" ... So you're willfully ignoring on panel art and statements? I challenge you to prove otherwise.
Yes, HOTI=God's power>IG.
You can't have it both ways.
"HOTI failed?" ... Interesting. So, the "flaw" was never eradicated/fixed? We must be looking at different books.
Are you saying no more characters were resurrected after The End?
😂
What did Adam "fail" in? It's like you don't know what to say to save face. 😂
As far as the IG or the HOTI being "less than omnipotent?"
***** Jim Starlin in 2015 (post-Hickman) *****
"The Infinity Gauntlet, which gave him [b]control of all facets of Existence."
"Limitless power you yourself eventually gained" ...
So? Cosmic cubes give that level of power too.
Worloggog does that too. What's special about it?
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The Heart of the Infinite is another run at OMNIPOTENCE! like the Infinity Gauntlet!
"AGAIN becoming omnipotent, in effect transforming into a Supreme Being."
And inferior than HOTI. So not omnipotent.
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Yes, we know the HOTI is a notch above, but both grant "omnipotence."
You don't like it, write Marvel a letter ans complain. 🙂
I don't have to. I already know something you don't.
How to read comics.
--------------------------------------------Please abhi, no more ideas coming straight for your chocolate highway. 👆 [/B]
Stay ignorant and bleed more. It's almost comical.
Originally posted by Mr Master
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The [b]Presence gaining self-awareness
... becoming a sentient entity ... then creates an architect named Synnar:"From nothing ... Beginning of Time, before there was anything Before the Supreme One became self-aware."
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The Living Tribunal gaining self-awareness ... becoming a sentient entity ... then Infinity/Eternity are created as the architects:
"Nothing. Once that was all there was. Or wasn't. But beauty was desecrated by the advent of self-awareness."
"So proclaim the stars and their creator, Infinity"
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Interesting. stoned [/B]
She us even below Spectre.
Living Tribunal is directly equal to Spectre.
These are direct comparison accepted by both companies.
Bleed more.
I honestly cannot believe the lows some people have stooped to in this thread. The low-balling is almost sickening. I have honestly never seen such Marvel bias. 😘
"Marvel God>DC God!!!" How ridiculously idiotic. facepalm
Originally posted by zopzopYes, DC/Vertigo God was shaped by "external forces"--the writers/artists of the friggin comic book he's in... Just as Marvel's "God" was in the second scan you posted... Just as every comic book character is. Regardless of who/what they represent, ANY character that has EVER appeared in a comic book was drawn(ie. "shaped"😉 by "external forces"--they aren't real, ffs. Frankly, anyone who doesn't understand that is a complete moron. none
Vertigo's "God" admitting he was shaped by external forces :You were saying? 🙄
Anyway, this doesn't degrade their truly infinite power in any way/shape/form. They are still all-powerful within the realm of comics(which is all we care about here.)
And please note: the Kirby analogue in the second scan explicitly refers to himself as "God", not "TOAA", like you said:
http://i.imgur.com/2uvu0JY.jpg
...Just like Thanos [also] did when he possessed THOTI. 🙂
Clearly the word "God" is used synonymously with the phrase "TOAA" in Marvel. One isn't greater than the other, lol.
Originally posted by operator616👆
My current computer is filled with viruses and is slow as shit which is why i think it's not able to upload scans.The Presence and GEB were meant to be locked in an eternal stalemate (see the scene which Zop posted about Presence/GEB arm wrestling); the fact that the Spectre v2 series begins with the Presence acknowledging this very same instance (the war between heaven and hell) and actively depowering Spectre means that he came out the victor. Otherwise, he couldn't have depowered the spectre and GEB would have been roaming free again. And i repeat: GEB was also contained initially, so the Presence seems to be edging out the GEB in terms of power even though they seem to be close.
Here's the page:
http://i.imgur.com/kR9yxuq.jpg
Originally posted by operator616My current computer is filled with viruses and is slow as shit which is why i think it's not able to upload scans.
Originally posted by operator616The Presence and GEB were meant to be locked in an eternal stalemate (see the scene which Zop posted about Presence/GEB arm wrestling); the fact that the Spectre v2 series begins with the Presence acknowledging this very same instance (the war between heaven and hell) and actively depowering Spectre means that he came out the victor. Otherwise, he couldn't have depowered the spectre and GEB would have been roaming free again. And i repeat: GEB was also contained initially, so the Presence seems to be edging out the GEB in terms of power even though they seem to be close.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Here's the page:
http://i.imgur.com/kR9yxuq.jpg
Thanks.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, DC/Vertigo God was shaped by "external forces"--the writers/artists of the friggin comic book he's in... Just as Marvel's "God" was in the second scan you posted... Just as every comic book character is. Regardless of who/what they represent, ANY character that has EVER appeared in a comic book was drawn(ie. "shaped"😉 by "external forces"--they aren't real, ffs. Frankly, anyone who doesn't understand that is a complete moron. none
Indeed. In fact, one could argue (and I wouldn't, because it's at least as stupid), that the Presence/God has a leg up because he knows he's not actually the real life fking writer/artist.
Originally posted by abhilegendLoathing? Cool it down child. You're just throwing a temper tantrum now.
You see the world in a strange way.
Originally posted by abhilegendYes, HOTI=God's power>IG. You can't have it both ways.
Originally posted by abhilegendAre you saying no more characters were resurrected after The End?
Again, what another Writer (TOAA) does, is completely acceptable since they (writers/artists) are ALL TOAA!
Originally posted by abhilegendSo? Cosmic cubes give that level of power too.
Worloggog does that too. What's special about it?
Yet ... Starlin also ranks the IG > CCU. (because it's a greater level of infinity)
Originally posted by abhilegendAnd inferior than HOTI. So not omnipotent.
Regardless that it's below the HOTI.
Originally posted by abhilegendI don't have to. I already know something you don't. How to read comics.
Originally posted by abhilegendStay ignorant and bleed more. It's almost comical.
Originally posted by abhilegendKismet is equal to Eternity.
That's a pathetic single dimension.
Originally posted by abhilegendShe us even below Spectre.
Originally posted by abhilegendLiving Tribunal is directly equal to Spectre.
If you bring up "Adventures of the X-Men," ... where they were "equals" ...
... you have to accept that in that story, LT and Spectre were above BOTH Comic book lines. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegendThese are direct comparison accepted by both companies.
Bleed more.
A peaceful discussion. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007"Marvel God>DC God!!!" ... How I disagree with that.
Marvel's top "God" should = DC's top "God" imo. (4th wall affiliations is another category imo)
Originally posted by Galan007Yes, DC/Vertigo God was shaped by "external forces"--the writers/artists of the friggin comic book he's in... Just as Marvel's "God" was in the second scan you posted... Just as every comic book character is. Regardless of who/what they represent, ANY character that has EVER appeared in a comic book was drawn(ie. "shaped"😉 by "external forces"--they aren't real, ffs.
And while it's true and I agree they are all illustrations, they are different. You yourself have noted that Animal Man's Morrison
and the new era of Meta-Textual beings like Gentry and others are another level.
Originally posted by Galan007Anyway, this doesn't degrade their truly infinite power in any way/shape/form. They are still all-powerful within the realm of comics(which is all we care about here.)
Originally posted by Galan007And please note: the Kirby analogue in the second scan explicitly refers to himself as "God", not "TOAA", like you said:
...Just like Thanos [also] did when he possessed THOTI.
Originally posted by Mr Master
So a 'temper tantrum" is me highlighting your continuous revilement of everything/anything I post?You see the world in a strange way.
Throwing temper tantrums are temper tantrums.
Grow up.
I was referring to you dismissing the fact that TOAA is a fictional illustrated representation of the writers/artists of Marvel.
I mention the "flaw" IN THIS story .. you jump somewhere else. 😐
Again, what another Writer (TOAA) does, is completely acceptable since they (writers/artists) are ALL TOAA!
The CCU in Starlin's view is also, "omnipotence, God-like, Godhood. [b]limitless Power" ...
Everything is God.
😂
Yet ... Starlin also ranks the IG > CCU. (because it's a greater level of infinity)
In your mind perhaps .. but in Marvel comics, the IG is Omnipotence!
No, it isn't. It got destroyed by repelling a universe.
Regardless that it's below the HOTI.
Write Marvel a letter and complain. I'm only conveying their ideas.
Nobody gives a shit.
Same ol' uncalled for revilement. 👇 [/B]
You deserve it.
