Lucifer Vs Thanos (Classic IG)

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool. So like I figured: your 'logic' only applies to DC characters. Marvel characters are exempt for some inextricable reason. Gotcha. 👆

Yeah, you're totally not biased, lol.

Is that why TOAA explictly referred to itself as "God" on-panel?:

http://i.imgur.com/2uvu0JY.jpg

TOAA = God, according to TOAA/God itself. 🙂

TOAA > "God" since TOAA DICTATES what goes on on panel.

You dodged the question, lol. How does the Presence's creation existing as a microbe(relative to the Overvoid) diminish the former's power? Rhetorical question: it doesn't.

TOAA's creation was just as minuscule in comparison to pre-retcon Beyonder's totality, for example, yet TOAA was still just as mighty. 🙂

The Pre Retcon Beyonder is a creation of Marvel's TOAA.

Sise-Neg actually became "God"(he didn't just come close.) Does that diminish TOAA's power, iyo, or is that another one of those 'logics' of yours that only applies to DC..? 🙂

Sorry, but this cracked me up. 😂

Contrast this to DC's feeble Presence whose authority has been challenged multiple times. The icing on the cake is WF Mxy. He trashed a backed Spectre ("Sorry Boss, I tried"😉 on his way to completely destroying all of DC and then recreating it.

This trashing of Spectre is significant because we learned that a backed Spectre could have stopped the Crisis on Infinite Earths reset, yet he was powerless against Mxy.

WF Mxy > Presence.

Originally posted by zopzop
The writer was just using language familiar to his audience (The average reader wouldn't know who or what TOAA is.)

Again: TOAA referred to itself explicitly as "God". ie. TOAA = God. ie. the terms are synonymous. This is as explicit as evidence gets... But yeah, continue arguing it. 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
TOAA > "God" since TOAA DICTATES what goes on on panel.

And please: show me where it is stated on-panel that "TOAA" refers exclusively to Marvel's real world writers/artists. You can't. "TOAA" refers to the fictional representation of the aforementioned... Just like DC's Supreme Being. 🙂

Your ill-informed bias is hysterical though, lol.

Originally posted by zopzop
You still don't get it. The Primal Monitor > the entire creation of the Presence. The Presence didn't create the Primal Monitor. The Primal Monitor is a creation of DC's TOAA.

The Primal Monitor is vastly larger than the Presence's creation, yes. This does not make it more powerful, however. Hell, the very fact that the Primal Monitor's original 'probes'(which were a direct extension of itself, mind you) were instantly overwhelmed by the concepts they encountered within the multiverse tells us all we need to know. The stories created by DC's Supreme Being>>>the Primal Monitor's ability to defend against.

In the words of Yoda:

...If you don't know the facts, just ask. It's better to ask questions then to outright lie. 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
Why stop at Sise-Neg. Dont' forget about Alien Entity and the original Infinity Being.

Originally posted by zopzop
The beautiful thing about Marvel is, they keep their creator god behind a veil. He/She/It is never seen.

All of those feature TOAA on panel. Deal with it. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
Contrast this to DC's feeble Presence whose authority has been challenged multiple times. The icing on the cake is WF Mxy. He trashed a backed Spectre ("Sorry Boss, I tried"😉 on his way to completely destroying all of DC and then recreating it.

This trashing of Spectre is significant because we learned that a backed Spectre could have stopped the Crisis on Infinite Earths reset, yet he was powerless against Mxy.

WF Mxy > Presence.

Goodness, this is some of the most idiotic misinformation I have ever seen spewed on the forums. It's clear you have NO comprehension of the DC side, but are on some sort of idiotic campaign to lowball through whatever means necessary.

So childish... Yet so funny at the same time. 👆

So is zopzop claiming that TOAA is not the writer of the story, but an even more powerful force that's making the real life authors write said stories?

It's been well established many times, that both the Presence and TOAA are the writers of the stories.

Also, to an Omnipotent being, size doesn't really matter. They can be as small or as big as they want too.

Originally posted by Galan007
I didn't know that telepathy was one of your many talents, lol. Stop twisting the words of TOAA.

Again: TOAA referred to itself explicitly as "God". ie. TOAA = God. ie. the terms are synonymous. This is as explicit as evidence gets... But yeah, continue arguing it. 👆

Why on earth do you keep acting like comic book characters are 'real'. The aren't. none

And please: show me where it is stated on-panel that "TOAA" refers exclusively to Marvel's real world writers/artists. You can't. "TOAA" refers to the fictional representation of the aforementioned... Just like DC's Supreme Being. 🙂

Your ill-informed bias is hysterical though, lol.

No, you don't get it.

The Primal Monitor is vastly larger than the Presence's creation, yes. This does not make it more powerful, however. Hell, the very fact that the Primal Monitor's original 'probes'(which were a direct extension of itself, mind you) were instantly overwhelmed by the concepts they encountered within the multiverse tells us all we need to know. The stories created by DC's Supreme Being>>>the Primal Monitor's ability to defend against.

In the words of Yoda:

...If you don't know the facts, just ask. It's better to ask questions then to outright lie. 👆

Thanks for reminding me how one-sided your argument is. 👆

Fantastic Four #511.
Sensational Spider-Man v2 #40.
Stan Lee Meets
etc.

All of those feature TOAA on panel. Deal with it. 🙂

You just proved my point. Stan Lee is a REAL person. Kirby is a REAL person. They are the ones that dictate what goes on in the comic the true TOAA. They can write themselves in the comic as they see fit.

Marvel's "God" is more nebulous. All previous contenders for the title have either been retconned or forgotten by later writers.

😂

Goodness, this is some of the most idiotic misinformation I have ever seen spewed on the forums. It's clear you have NO comprehension of the DC side, but are on some sort of idiotic campaign to lowball through whatever means necessary.

So childish... Yet so funny at the same time. 👆

You're asking why the Presence was Awol when Mxy when phycho in WF right?

So here's my question to you. Where was TOAA when
Wanda went psycho
Pre Rectcon Beyonder attacked
Beyonders new arc
Chaos King
and so much more. So, where was the Almighty TOAA again?

Originally posted by SquallX
You're asking why the Presence was Awol when Mxy when phycho in WF right?

So here's my question to you. Where was TOAA when
Wanda went psycho
Pre Rectcon Beyonder attacked
Beyonders new arc
Chaos King
and so much more. So, where was the Almighty TOAA again?

You're better off asking where was Marvel's "God" when this was going down.

A) Marvel is cagey with their "God", it's never been shown on panel (all previous claims to the title have been forgotten or retconned)
B) It was stated on panel that the LT's boss (TOAA or "God" depending on the story), when it feels like it, keeps the LT ignorant of cosmic events or let's them occur. Mr. Master posted the scan.

Originally posted by zopzop
TOAA is the WRITER.

You're better off asking where was Marvel's "God" when this was going down.

A) Marvel is cagey with their "God", it's never been shown on panel (all previous claims to the title have been forgotten or retconned)
B) It was stated on panel that the LT's boss (TOAA or "God" depending on the story), when it feels like it, keeps the LT ignorant of cosmic events or let's them occur. Mr. Master posted the scan.

It's the same thing with the Presence.

The writer of said story is the Presence, you do know that right?

Originally posted by SquallX
It's the same thing with the Presence.

The writer of said story is the Presence, you do know that right?

DC's TOAA = Marvel's TOAA aka the writer(s).

Originally posted by zopzop
TOAA > "God' because TOAA is the writer of the damn comic book. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

Originally posted by zopzop
You just proved my point. Stan Lee is a REAL person. Kirby is a REAL person.

Also, I like how you dodged the part where I dismantled your attempt at trying to diminish the Presence, by using the Primal Monitor as a measuring stick. At least you realized how silly that was, lol. 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
So why was the Presence AWOL when WF Mxy stomped his representative to paste and then went on to destroy all of DC?
🙄

But since you're trying to single out DC in your little rant: explain to me why TOAA didn't intervene during Secret Wars? Why did he allow his representative(LT), along with the entire Marvel continuum, to be destroyed by the Beyonders?

...Oh that's right. Your ridiculous 'logic' only applies to DC. Marvel is exempt, lol. 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
Nope, it's not. It's DC's TOAA.

DC's TOAA = Marvel's TOAA aka the writer(s).

Good Lord man, do you hear yourself!?

This whole thread (apart from a small interval somewhere in the middle) is literally THE
quintessential example of what happens in the absence of mods....

Some of this 'back and forth' is unbelievable, I cant believe we are at 19 pages with (seemingly) no moderation.

Suck it Galan.

Well done.

👆

Originally posted by Astner

Suck it Galan.

So DC has no creator God? Otherwise the second scan makes no sense.

So the characters and stories are the dreams and imaginations of people. Don't see what the problem is.

Originally posted by Cogito
So the characters and stories are the dreams and imaginations of people. Don't see what the problem is.

Originally posted by Cogito
So the characters and stories are the dreams and imaginations of people. Don't see what the problem is.

DC god's become joke
Lol

Originally posted by Astner
Suck it Galan.

The notion that dreams shaped the Supreme Being would mean that Dream of the Endless holds a degree of power/control over the Supreme Being itself... Which we know is definitely not canonically accurate. That would also mean the dreamers would have to predate the Supreme Being... Which, again, we know is definitely not canonically accurate. First came The Presence. Then came Michael/Lucifer. Then came everyone/thing else in the multiverse(inc. The Endless and the concepts they embody.) That is established canon fact.

I'm guessing this is why writer interviews and whatnot aren't admissible as evidence on the forums. Carey is inadvertently trying to faux-retcon decadeS-worth of canon history in a single formspring response, lol.

This should be : who is the bigger pimp? The answer is Lucifer. Lucifer could literally rape death if he wanted to. Thanos is all "please bang me death".