Originally posted by ares834
Nah. That one is pretty ridiculous...Sure, but in SW that tends to be a higher tier character and the feat is usually used to wank said character.
Eh I wouldn't say only high tier characters could defeat 100 thugs. Although going down, you may have to then factor in gear and the like for others.
Although now I'm genuinely curious Ares, the average thug in comics. Do they have anything going for them? Or generally do they just show up to be beat? Your answer will be the outcome of mine, which will come later as I have work here soon.
Though now bringing it up, I feel this might make an interesting topic discussion regarding such things. I might make it over on CV later on.
Originally posted by ILS
lel.Spider-Man isn't faster, he's far, far less skilled as a warrior, would get oneshotted by a lightsaber, has no defence to telekinesis, and his webbing would be shredded or just avoided by Maul's agility.
Spider-man has tremendous speed, has fought very skilled villains for years, has spider-sense to avoid lightsabers and telekinesis- remember how grievous dodged them?- and webbing can both cover an area and has been used to hit very agile foes itself. And Maul could get one-shotted by a strong punch from Spider-man.
If Peter's pissed, he can lift a subway car. Pure physical strength wise, he's above any Jedi or Sith. Defense wise, he's built all around dodging and agility and powerful sixth sense.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Maul has counters to all this Imo.
Oh, it's not a stomp, they both have responses, I just think Spidey has the edge.
Will be hard for Spider-Man to keep his range when Maul can leap as far and as fast as he can.
Web swinging...
Considering Wolverine always cuts through Spidey's webbs, I'm not sure Maul's Saber wound have much trouble. Especially moving as fast as he does.
Spider-man has once webbed Wolverine's hands to his head to immobilize him. He also once dodged past an entire team of X-men.
Durability? Maul can take those punches seeing as he can even survive being cut in 2.
Ah, has little to do with whether someone is KOed...
Originally posted by Q991. So does Maul.
[1]Spider-man has tremendous speed, [2]has fought very skilled villains for years, [3]has spider-sense to avoid lightsabers [4]and telekinesis- remember how grievous dodged them?- [5]and webbing can both cover an area and has been used to hit very agile foes itself. [6]And Maul could get one-shotted by a strong punch from Spider-man.If Peter's pissed, he can lift a subway car. Pure physical strength wise, he's above any Jedi or Sith. Defense wise, he's built all around dodging and agility and powerful sixth sense.
2. Jedi and Sith lightsaber forms are fighting styles comprised of every known swordfighting technique or martial in existence. Nick Gillard likened it to if an earth-based martial art took inspiration from every swordfighting culture to have ever walked the earth and applied the most effective methods from each (as well as virtually any other method of swinging a melee weapon,) into the ultimate swordfighting style. So not only is Peter's training and technical skill blown out of the water utterly by one of the most highly trained and skilled Sith in history, but Maul and all Force users have Force-guided reflexes and clairvoyance, as well as battle precognition, on top of their natural physical skill, to supplement them. Spidey is outclassed in terms of fighting skill.
3. Yeah, no, his spider sense doesn't prevent him from being tagged in melee combat. Spider-Man has been hit before. People less capable than Maul, e.g Captain America, Black Panther, Wolverine, have all tagged Peter and given him a run for his money on account of superior skill and approaching speed; Maul has equivalent or better speed on top of far superior skill, and he isn't punching Peter, he's cutting him apart every time his lightsaber touches him.
4. Good for Grievous, not seeing how this applies to Peter. Also, you can't dodge direct telekinesis. Peter can't protect his windpipe.
5. I don't really care. When Maul was 15 he could effortlessly dodge blaster fire on account of his precognition. Force users can deflect hypersonic slugs, blaster fire coming from every direction. Hell, Force users who can do that, e.g Komari Vosa, have found a Maul with an injured arm to be so fast he was striking from all angles simultaneously in her view. Peter's webs are going to fly past Maul or be cut to ribbons.
6. And likewise Maul can oneshot Peter. What actually matters is who can hit who. I'm banking on the far superior martial artist with equivalent speed and precog of his own to come out on top, especially when he's rocking an energy sword much longer than Peter's arms.
Never understood the logic that Marvel is inherently superior to other universes simply because it has more material. Quality over quantity.
Originally posted by ILS😂
lel.Spider-Man isn't faster, he's far, far less skilled as a warrior, would get oneshotted by a lightsaber, has no defence to telekinesis, and his webbing would be shredded or just avoided by Maul's agility.
You clearly haven't read many if any Spider-Man comics to see what he's been up against.
1. So does Maul.
Sure, but not as much.
2. Jedi and Sith lightsaber forms are fighting styles comprised of every known swordfighting technique or martial in existence. Nick Gillard likened it to if an earth-based martial art took inspiration from every swordfighting culture to have ever walked the earth and applied the most effective methods from each (as well as virtually any other method of swinging a melee weapon,) into the ultimate swordfighting style. So not only is Peter's training and technical skill blown out of the water utterly by one of the most highly trained and skilled Sith in history, but Maul and all Force users have Force-guided reflexes and clairvoyance, as well as battle precognition, on top of their natural physical skill, to supplement them. Spidey is outclassed in terms of fighting skill.
Sure, but he's got other advantages, and has tons of experience fighting superhuman foes, including ones with more power and advantages than Maul.
3. Yeah, no, his spider sense doesn't prevent him from being tagged in melee combat.
You're right, it doesn't, *but* he doesn't need to do fair melee combat to win, and it also often depends on how serious he is. If he's focused he can be a real dodge machine, if he's distracted or self-doubting it can make him more vulnerable.
He has dodged everything Wolverine, a super-fast centuries old super skilled warrior with cut-anything claws on both arms, has thrown at him before.
4. Good for Grievous, not seeing how this applies to Peter. Also, you can't dodge direct telekinesis. Peter can't protect his windpipe.
Grievous dodged direct telekinesis. Peter's faster. He can protect it by moving.
5. I don't really care. When Maul was 15 he could effortlessly dodge blaster fire on account of his precognition. Force users can deflect hypersonic slugs, blaster fire coming from every direction.
Ok, and Peter's dodged machinegun fire coming from every direction, lasers, teleporters, people who's superpower is never missing...
Peter's webs are going to fly past Maul or be cut to ribbons.
I don't think you quite get what 'wide' means. It means they can cover an area.
Heck, he can do stuff like cover the ground to limit Maul's maneuverability.
6. And likewise Maul can oneshot Peter. What actually matters is who can hit who. I'm banking on the far superior martial artist with equivalent speed and precog of his own to come out on top, especially when he's rocking an energy sword much longer than Peter's arms.
I'm banking on the one with the area effect disabling ranged power who's faster and a lot stronger, who knows full well to not let the sword touch him, and is also renowned for his cleverness against skillful and powerful foes.
Mauls reactions allow him to block literal lasers like I fives laser beams. Maul has far faster reaction speed, and with the Force being an omnipresent energy, can just grip Spider-man with it and pulverize his bones. Pretty sure moving a multi ton vehicle like Maul did would break Spider-man in a hundred pieces.
Originally posted by The Merchant😂
Mauls reactions allow him to block literal lasers like I fives laser beams. Maul has far faster reaction speed, and with the Force being an omnipresent energy, can just grip Spider-man with it and pulverize his bones. Pretty sure moving a multi ton vehicle like Maul did would break Spider-man in a hundred pieces.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Mauls reactions allow him to block literal lasers like I fives laser beams. Maul has far faster reaction speed, and with the Force being an omnipresent energy, can just grip Spider-man with it and pulverize his bones. Pretty sure moving a multi ton vehicle like Maul did would break Spider-man in a hundred pieces.
No. To pretty much all of that. Spidey has dodged lasers before as well. His Spider-sense is every bit as good as precog. Plus there is the fact that he is faster. He's also taken hits far beyond anything Maul can dish out with TK. Maul's best bet is a TK saber throw combo. But that's scripting the fight.