Originally posted by Raptor22Cute.
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Running fast along the volcanic mountain slope on Orsis, Maul gnashed his teeth as another low-energy blaster bolt tore through the thin fabric of his utility suit and slammed into his back. He ignored the pain and kept running.His pursuers were Meltch Krakko and the two Rodian cadets, Hubnutz and Fretch, and the goal of their exercise was to capture Maul. Krakko and the Rodians were wearing mimetic suits, energy-powered cloaks that allowed tor almost perfect camouflage in any environment. Since Krakko’s return to Orsis Academy two years ago, he had not only taken a special interest in training the Rodians in tracking and sharpshooting, but also in tormenting the fifteen-year-old Zabrak.
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Maul approached the rim of the mountain's valley, where glacial water and wind had carved a maze of tall, rocky formations. He darted into the labyrinth, never pausing to catch his breath. More blaster bolts zinged past his body. If his pursuers' blasters had been set to kill, he would have been dead already, a fact that infuriated him. But because Sidious and Trezza had forbidden him from revealing his Force powers to Orsis faculty and cadets, he was obliged to let his pursuers shoot him occasionally. If he'd dodged every blaster bolt, they would have had ample reason to suspect he was a Force user.
Crouching suddenly, a Twi'lek fired, and Maul twirled, deflecting the bolts with his twin crimson blades. The Twi'lek and another security man dropped.Then the rest opened fire at once. Maul leapt and jinked, spun and rolled, an acrobatic wonder, impossible to target.
Hell, Komari Vosa can do this shit:
The Gamorreans opened fire from either side, but Vosa moved faster than they could shoot, faster even than the naked eye could see. Adapting the Form One style of Soresu, she whirled her lightsabers in front of her, their blades absorbing and deflecting the blasts easily from all sides. The outcome was never truly in doubt. Darting forward, she slashed the blaster directly from the hand of the nearest thug, piston-kicked him backward, and spun to bisect the Trandoshan behind her neatly at the waist. Throughout it all, the expression on her face—focused yet unhurried, almost relaxed—revealed virtually nothing about what was happening inside her mind, nor about the true purpose of her visit here.
In his mind, the duel was all but over—his opponent was now dragging out the inevitable moment of defeat in a series of small humiliations. By turning to such diversionary tactics, Vosa had all but admitted that she was no match for the erratic staccato blows that he was delivering, seemingly from everywhere, all at once.
Not seeing the big deal.
Raptor: Your second scan is Ant-sized. Beating up the Punisher isn't a feat on Maul's level, lol. I'm aware he can lift trains. It doesn't address my argument that a lightsaber is just as capable of oneshotting as Peter's strength, but Maul is the far more skilled fighter.
Not that scan-bombing in of itself is even an argument worth addressing but there you go.
Originally posted by ILSsry about size, posting from phone. The punisher scan was to show his combat speed, being in multiple places at once.
Raptor: Your second scan is Ant-sized. Beating up the Punisher isn't a feat on Maul's level, lol. I'm aware he can lift trains. It doesn't address my argument that a lightsaber is just as capable of oneshotting as Peter's strength, but Maul is the far more skilled fighter.Not that scan-bombing in of itself is even an argument worth addressing but there you go.
Lol. Silly me. When u said scans or gtfo, i thought u actually wanted someone to post scans.
Originally posted by ILS
Raptor: Your second scan is Ant-sized. Beating up the Punisher isn't a feat on Maul's level, lol. I'm aware he can lift trains. It doesn't address my argument that a lightsaber is just as capable of oneshotting as Peter's strength, but Maul is the far more skilled fighter.
And Peter's got better mobility, a versatile ranged method, has faced people in Maul's skill level who also have insta-win weapons, regularly fights a large number of superhuman foes with strong weaponry, and a tendency to perform very well when pressed to the edge.
Melee skill is good, but it's not everything. Spider-man is the more experienced and more clever fighter who has gone up against groups of superhumans not all that rarely.
Originally posted by Raptor22Uh... so afterimages now denote Spider-Man level speed? In that case not only has Maul replicated this and then some, a novice Ulic Qel-Droma who was weakened has done so. We're discussing the wrong fight, lmao.
sry about size, posting from phone. The punisher scan was to show his combat speed, being in multiple places at once.Lol. Silly me. When u said scans or gtfo, i thought u actually wanted someone to post scans.
Sure, but a scan by itself is hardly compelling if the poster doesn't relate what's happening within it to the argument.
I wouldnt even say for certain that maul is the more skilled fighter. In several arcs troughout his career pete has trained with some of the best MA in marvel. Here is him training with shang chi after he loses his spider sense.
Like I said on earlier pages:
"Jedi and Sith lightsaber forms are fighting styles comprised of every known swordfighting technique or martial in existence. Nick Gillard likened it to if an earth-based martial art took inspiration from every swordfighting culture to have ever walked the earth and applied the most effective methods from each (as well as virtually any other method of swinging a melee weapon,) into the ultimate swordfighting style. So not only is Peter's training and technical skill blown out of the water utterly by one of the most highly trained and skilled Sith in history, but Maul and all Force users have Force-guided reflexes and clairvoyance, as well as battle precognition, on top of their natural physical skill, to supplement them. Spidey is outclassed in terms of fighting skill."
Nobody Peter has fought has that scope of technical skill, especially when you consider how far more ridiculously populous and old the galaxy is compared to just earth, meaning it's going to have much more advanced martial arts. The Jedi's have been in development for 25,000 years, for crying out loud, and that's not even factoring in Maul's Force-assisted swordsmanship.
Another speed/agilityLet me know when Peter can do that to Komari Vosa.
Even has experience against laser swordsIf only said laser sword was wielded by someone with 1/10th of Maul's ability.
Q99: "And Peter's got better mobility, a versatile ranged method, has faced people in Maul's skill level who also have insta-win weapons, regularly fights a large number of superhuman foes with strong weaponry, and a tendency to perform very well when pressed to the edge. "
Prove it, I've debunked why it's not going to help him, prove it, prove that that matters, and that's nice but it doesn't mean much by itself.
"Melee skill is good, but it's not everything. Spider-man is the more experienced and more clever fighter who has gone up against groups of superhumans not all that rarely."
It's a pretty big thing, lol. It's what separated Peter from Cap in their Civil war fight where Cap was taking the edge. Same with every time Wolverine or Black Panther have held their own. Prove Peter's experience is better than Maul's through feats. Prove he's more clever in a meaningful way. Hell, prove something, I'm begging you.
The scans were all pretty self explanatory, but it is probably my fault in assuming u had some knowledge on both characters, and wouldnt need everything explained to u. Thats my bad.
Ils sorry but ur clearly showing some ignorance of marvel comics. Just captain america has mastered every MA on earth, (and marvel earth has far more styles than real life earth) as well as several alien MA's that have been around for a hell of alot longer than 25,000 years. And he is just one of the trainers petes had over the years.
ILSProve it,
Any shot of Peter webswinging should show you plenty of mobility.
I've debunked why it's not going to help him,
No, you've said what Maul's defense is. Which is not the same as the defense always working or there not being ways around the defense, especially as block-with-sabers is not a flawless defense. Web the ground to hinder mobility, web widely so that some of it gets past the saber no matter how he blocks and he has to spend time cutting free, and so on.
prove it,
Wolverine's been mentioned, and you seem familiar with the fact Spider-man has fought him, so proof seems redundant.
Peter's also fought Iron Fist, a superhuman martial artist who's one hit kill move is in his name.
Spider-man does pretty well:
Leadup
Punch
prove that that matters,
"Prove that it matters that vast experience against superhuman foes matters against a superhuman foe."
That's not a great defense there.
and that's nice but it doesn't mean much by itself.
*Points to all the other stuff above* His ability to improve his performance when in a serious situation is just part of the equation.
It's a pretty big thing, lol. It's what separated Peter from Cap in their Civil war fight where Cap was taking the edge. Same with every time Wolverine or Black Panther have held their own.
Cap also relied heavily on his shield hijinks, but note with Wolverine, sometimes Logan holds his own, but when Spider-man gets serious, he comes out significantly on top.
Prove Peter's experience is better than Maul's through feats. Prove he's more clever in a meaningful way. Hell, prove something, I'm begging you.
Other people are posting scans, you're dismissing them.
You're trying to have it both ways, "Prove it, I dare you!" and "Proof doesn't count, it's just scans."
By the way, something else I want to point out- While a lightsaber can be a one-hit kill, glancing and shallow hits are also possible, and especially with a super-agile super-precognitive foe, fairly likely.
Peter's punches are likely to be either a KO or at least a seriously affecting blow whether they hit head, torso, or even leg.
Raptor:The way debating works is you provide evidence and relate it to your argument. That is a core rule of debating. The onus isn't on me to interpret your material for you and then address it. I can do that, and I did it internally (I've been debating on Comic Vine for 2 and a half years, I'm well aware of who Spider-Man and Shang Chi are), but I'm not doing your job for you. I know you aren't incapable, you just need to, yeno, do it, as Shia said.
Cap is "adept" in every fighting style, I don't recall him being a master. Marvel earth is based on real-life earth so I don't recall it having "far more styles". Regardless, the galaxy of Star Wars over the course of 25,000 years is going to have far more martial arts than earth over the course of 2000-3000, or whenever we got good at fighting. Cap mastering an alien martial pales in comparison to Maul's style being made up of the best aspects of literally every alien martial art in the galaxy, lol.
Calling me ignorant isn't an argument, it's a logical fallacy commonly used when someone lacks an argument. Try again.
