Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you can't make blanketed statements like that and expect that to pass go. The skill of every combatant matters not some vague baseless claim that they are beyond gunslingers. Jango Fett doesn't have superpowers nor does Pre Vizlsa or Cad Bane. Some of them killed and beat jedi. Jango was a legit challenge to Windu who took down the dark master of the Sith. If they aren't even beyond guys with no powers from their own universe how do you expect that generalized statement to apply to other fictional characters.I tend to look at how characters are portrayed against other highly skilled characters who are armed with their best. If Yoda was beyond the clones he wouldn't bring Kenobi to the temple when they weren't in higher numbers. It's clearly an issue. Yoda also needed help from the clones in the first episode of the clone wars from the clones who said he wouldn't see that coming despite Yoda's precognition, etc.
The final nail in the coffin is when a larger group of droids were porrayed as greater than a decently sized group of Jedi including most of the best save Yoda. Dooku sat back and knew they'd be overwhelmed and we've seen even Jar Jar Binks stumble into a battlefield and take droids out who are awful.
This is evidence that supports my viewpoints not just a generalized baseless statement not founded on really anything.
PT is full of inconsistencies like that. Doesn't really refute my point. Again, you're failing to see the context of all these events. PIS has often allowed a character to defeat or at least survive a much stronger opponent. You yourself admitted that the encounters between Ezra/Kanan and Vader are pretty stupid. In versus threads, we usually assume an arena type all out fight where PIS doesn't happen. So with that said, Palpatine would wreck Khan and you shouldn't really feel bad about that.
Also, have you ever heard of this thing called Vaapad?
Originally posted by SiniousYou do not have a point. You made a generalized biased statement that I can disprove easily in Star Wars canon. Pis is ignoring facts and pretending it shouldn't count. They are stupid but they do count. IMO Vader should maul them and they should come up with reasons why he doesn't finish them not that they find the opening to force push him onto his ass. Khan in his Klingon scene leaves the enterprise crew in utter amazement just watching him. Khan then disarms Spock and has them completely at his mercy before he gives himself up to get his crew back. That's the kind of treatment Vader IMO should get over those two dweebs IMO but that isn't what happened.
PT is full of inconsistencies like that. Doesn't really refute my point. Again, you're failing to see the context of all these events. PIS has often allowed a character to defeat or at least survive a much stronger opponent. You yourself admitted that the encounters between Ezra/Kanan and Vader are pretty stupid. In versus threads, we usually assume an arena type all out fight where PIS doesn't happen. So with that said, Palpatine would wreck Khan and you shouldn't really feel bad about that.Also, have you ever heard of this thing called Vaapad?
I've heard about Star Wars fanatics using pis, vapaad, and other ideas as a means to discount facts or downplay them because they don't line up with that posters preconceived notions.
Originally posted by SiniousI do apply critical thinking but I won't dismiss facts, feats, etc. and make blanketed useless statements like Jedi are beyond guys with guns and watch the battle on geonosis scene and say, nuh uh. Anyway ever saying the word pis is showing bias as their perception or opinion isn't a fact but the scene is.
Again, context is your friend. Try to apply critical thinking into your life for a change.
Pete has ample experience against telepaths and telekinetic foes, arguably superior precog and has come out on top against opponents much stronger and faster. If the fight is in-character, he'd clock the infamous Sith warrior before he knew what hit him. Lord Maul wakes up drugged and in a Shield containment cell awaiting interrogation. Out of character boils down to who can hit who first and range.
Originally posted by Sinious
Still not seeing what keeps Maul from breaking his neck. 🙂
1. The fact that Maul prefers to kill with his lightsaber. Sure he can and will use telekinesis but it's not normally his opening move, especially against a single foe.
2. Spiderman's durability/resilience means that Maul can't just snap his neck like a twig as he would a regular person. Maul would need to concentrate REAL hard.
3. The fact that if he tries he'll get a face-full of webbing.
Anyway here is the match. The actual fight starts at 6:45 if you want to skip the fans talking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q2uzIv4nhg
So there we have it.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
1. The fact that Maul prefers to kill with his lightsaber. Sure he can and will use telekinesis but it's not normally his opening move, especially against a single foe.2. Spiderman's durability/resilience means that Maul can't just snap his neck like a twig as he would a regular person. Maul would need to concentrate REAL hard.
3. The fact that if he tries he'll get a face-full of webbing.
Anyway here is the match. The actual fight starts at 6:45 if you want to skip the fans talking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q2uzIv4nhg
So there we have it.