The results of one Logan vs Peter fight (remember, this is someone with claws that can also slice through web)
Mobility:
Not just dodges bullets, but bounces around a room
Spider-man vs a team of X-men, multiple of whom have super-agility, one of whom is throwing lightning.
Ya know it just occurred to me through this discussion, I think people overlook the fact just where characters come from which can make a difference when factoring the variety of environments, adversaries they come across and so on.
Not getting involved here, but it's just something I've noticed now.
Originally posted by ILSsorry but im not gonna waste my time explaining that a scan of pete lifting a tank is a strength feat, and im posting it to show he is stronger than maul. If u need every little detail broken down and explained to u while ur feigning ignorance then ur talking to the wrong guy.
Raptor:The way debating works is you provide evidence and relate it to your argument. That is a core rule of debating. The onus isn't on me to interpret your material for you and then address it. I can do that, and I did it internally (I've been debating on Comic Vine for 2 and a half years, I'm well aware of who Spider-Man and Shang Chi are), but I'm not doing your job for you. I know you aren't incapable, you just need to, yeno, do it, as Shia said.Cap is "adept" in every fighting style, I don't recall him being a master. Marvel earth is based on real-life earth so I don't recall it having "far more styles". Regardless, the galaxy of Star Wars over the course of 25,000 years is going to have far more martial arts than earth over the course of 2000-3000, or whenever we got good at fighting. Cap mastering an alien martial pales in comparison to Maul's style being made up of the best aspects of literally every alien martial art in the galaxy, lol.
Calling me ignorant isn't an argument, it's a logical fallacy commonly used when someone lacks an argument. Try again.
If u want to compare feats, skills, accolades etc... And have a discussion about who would win based off the info/knowledge available to us then im down. If u want to play little games like expecting me to interpret things for u that u already admittedly interpreted on ur own but want me to explain anyway, im simply not going to do that.
Didn't Spider Man break out of Grey's TK? No ****ing way can Maul do shit to him, let alone kill him with it. He solo'd some of the greatest X-Men, at once, moving faster than Wolverine and Nightcrawler who can teleport. How the **** does he not turn Maul into a smear?
He's supporting the goddamned Bugle. The Bugle. I really want to see the explanation for how Maul's TK begins to compare to a ****ing building.
Originally posted by Q99
The results of one Logan vs Peter fight (remember, this is someone with claws that can also slice through web)
The majority of the time Wolverine slices through his webbing no problem.
This is a result of another one of their fights:
See how that works.
Besides Logan doesn't have Maul's pre-cog, and Webs can stick to claws but not to a Saber blade.
Originally posted by Q99
Mobility:
Not just dodges bullets, but bounces around a room
Maul can do some pretty mean dodging himself:
Originally posted by Q99
Spider-man vs a team of X-men, multiple of whom have super-agility, one of whom is throwing lightning.
That's universally considered a major piece of PIS. Spider-Man would really struggle to defeat any one of those X-Men 1 v 1, Colossus ordinarily would have Zero issues ripping through Spidey's webbing, Storm even states she couldn't go all out with her Weather abilities indoors, and there's no way he should get the drop on a Psychic the level of Professor X.
@ Freshest
Details/Scans of him breaking out of Grey's TK?
Also, you're missing the point. Superheros are much more OP in general as the concept of their stories come from comic books where SW characters are originated from a movie franchise so its natural that their feats are not as impressive as Marvel heroes. However, Star Wars characters have an advantage too, which is the Force.
Maul is tapping into something very unusual for Spiderman. Spidey doesn't really have any defense against the Force other than enduring the attacks but he won't be immune to force choke. Not to mention Maul has a lightsaber and is an excellent fighter who can defend himself against Spiderman's ranged attacks, which is a huge advantage cause Spidey doesn't carry weapons. The only main advantage Spiderman has is hand to hand and it will never come to that.
Since this is an all out fight, Maul can easily abuse his force advantage and apply force choke. The feat you presented shows only strength and not durability.
Originally posted by Sinious
Maul is tapping into something very unusual for Spiderman.
It's not *that* unusual. Telekinesis is a thing in Marvel. Each individual power that the force grants, Spidey has encountered and fought.
Also, I'm entirely sure he's watched Star Wars, so...
Spidey doesn't really have any defense against the Force other than enduring the attacks but he won't be immune to force choke.
And dodging, which can be done.
Note you almost never see force choke used in combat, even against non-force wielders without precog.
Not to mention Maul has a lightsaber and is an excellent fighter who can defend himself against Spiderman's ranged attacks, which is a huge advantage cause Spidey doesn't carry weapons.
He can defend himself, but not necessarily perfectly.
Also, Peter can use the webbing in a variety of ways.
If they fought in an urban environment, Peter's known for breaking off parts of buildings, webbing chunks, and swinging them around.
Originally posted by Q99Meh
It's not *that* unusual. Telekinesis is a thing in Marvel. Each individual power that the force grants, Spidey has encountered and fought.
Also, I'm entirely sure he's watched Star Wars, so...lol
And dodging, which can be done.Note you almost never see force choke used in combat, even against non-force wielders without precog.
He can defend himself, but not necessarily perfectly.Define perfect.
Also, Peter can use the webbing in a variety of ways.He won't be able to do those things while in TK lock.If they fought in an urban environment, Peter's known for breaking off parts of buildings, webbing chunks, and swinging them around.
