Turkey Shoots down Russian Fighter Jet

Here's another:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32740942

Whacking great strategic bombers flying around with their transponders turned off just north of Scotland- that's pretty bloody lost, in the sense of hundreds of miles or more.

They specialise in taking the piss like that- but it's really something done from a position of weakness.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
LIES!

Pun intended. Pun def intended!

Maybe a little.

If it were solely up to you how would you of punished Russia for this airspace violation?

Turkey has screwed themselves with this idiotic move. Not only have they lost out on a huge oil venture, but they are going to lose huge contracts in Russia on current and future projects, and they will no longer get food from Russia.

What a bunch of idiots. Of coarse its to be expected since Turkey helps ISIS.

Crossing into other countries territories is nothing uncommon, be it land,air, or water. Usually they're escorted out with guns pointed at them, though.

@Surtur, I agree that Russia is a regional bully (even if most of the time they follow the law, from what I've seen), but the USA is a global bully. So I hope you're equally outraged when you see this kind of event.

If we violated an airspace of someone who had repeatedly told us not to and we got shot down I'd have no problem with that, we brought it on ourselves. The more power any one nation has the less you can afford to let them get away with whatever they want.

Though about navigational errors..can these things be proven? Don't planes come with equipment that records malfunctions or something? So if Russia claims this was a navigational error shouldn't they be able to prove it?

The Turkish president is imbed with ISIS. I would not be surprised if him and all his family winds up dead for crossing Putin.

They even shot and killed the pilots..

What a bunch of tools.

Only a national idiot like the turkish president could be so foolish.

I am going to love seeing them pay for this.

If Putin killed the guy and his family over it then it would just show Putin is just as bad if not worse.

If they truly had a navigational error I'd love to see them prove this.

It doesn't matter if it was or was not, they had no business killing the pilots after ejecting. Thats grounds for war.

Originally posted by Surtur
If we violated an airspace of someone who had repeatedly told us not to and we got shot down I'd have no problem with that, we brought it on ourselves. The more power any one nation has the less you can afford to let them get away with whatever they want.

Though about navigational errors..can these things be proven? Don't planes come with equipment that records malfunctions or something? So if Russia claims this was a navigational error shouldn't they be able to prove it?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/asia/us-china-south-china-sea/

Well, that would be a grave mistake. It's better to just escort them out.

Look at these pieces of shit gloating after they killed them.

https://www.rt.com/news/323237-video-dead-russian-pilot/

Originally posted by Van Hohenheim
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/asia/us-china-south-china-sea/

Well, that would be a grave mistake. It's better to just escort them out.

I'm not saying it would be my first choice, just that I wouldn't be necessarily outraged if we violated the airspace of someone and they responded. Keep in mind the context as well, as apparently Russia has been told before not to do this. So I am thinking of a similar situation, not something where the very first violation should result in an attack.

Then again I am no pilot..maybe it is a super complicated thing to stay within certain borders.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It doesn't matter if it was or was not, they had no business killing the pilots after ejecting. Thats grounds for war.

Yeah I'm not sure why they killed the pilots after they ejected. You'd think arresting them would of been more beneficial.

Did they say why they took out the pilots?

Because they are savages..isn't that obvious?

But then I would ask if you think Russia has done anything during Putin's reign that would be considered savage?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Did those pilots deserve to get gunned down like dogs after being blown out of the sky? Don't blame the pilots for Russians total actions.

Putin seems to follow international law, though. Or at least tries to hide his intentions behind it.

He's helping the Syrian government because they asked for help, unlike the US that just started to bomb in Syria (sovereign land) without official anything.

Putin knows he will be scrutinized for his actions internationally and he loves to keep his name clean as much as possible and go by the law.

As for Obama bombing Syria. Well he's Obama, he can do whatever he wants without fear of any critizism internationally.

Originally posted by Van Hohenheim
Putin seems to follow international law, though. Or at least tries to hide his intentions behind it.

Sure he does. Just like when he broke the treaty and invaded Ukraine. That was all legal. 🙄

**** Turkey.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Putin knows he will be scrutinized for his actions internationally and he loves to keep his name clean as much as possible and go by the law.

As for Obama bombing Syria. Well he's Obama, he can do whatever he wants without fear of any critizism internationally.

Originally posted by Star428
Sure he does. Just like when he broke the treaty and invaded Ukraine. That was all legal. 🙄

The government (sovereign government) was being overthrown by neo-nazis. Helping the legal holder of power who were elected democratically isn't illegal as far as I know.