Turkey Shoots down Russian Fighter Jet

Originally posted by Van Hohenheim
Well, pretty much.
But people will remember in the future, so that's not good.

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People seem to forget things pretty quick though especially if it involves Obama. He is prolly going to go down as the greatest president of all time in some peoples book. And its hard to convince some of the die hard media moguls otherwise much less the general public.

The average citizen is almost completely oblivious to anything that is going on in the world. We here are a select few I feel.

Well damn, look at this.

Appears this was pre planned

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-27/top-us-air-defense-commander-turkey%E2%80%99s-shootdown-russian-jet-%E2%80%9Chad-be-pre-planned%E2%80%9D

Syria is now a no fly zone for the US and Turkey.

http://debka.com/article/25048/Russian-S-400-missiles-turn-most-of-Syria-into-no-fly-zone-halt-US-air-strikes-

Preplanned, so how did they know Russia would violate their airspace?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Putin knows he will be scrutinized for his actions internationally and he loves to keep his name clean as much as possible and go by the law.

As for Obama bombing Syria. Well he's Obama, he can do whatever he wants without fear of any critizism internationally.

Putin's name is clean in the same way a mob boss who hasn't technically been charged with any crimes is "clean".

Since when did a criminal stop trying to clean his record?

It's legally clean, but there seems to be an odd number of people who were vocal about being opposed to Putin who ended up dead. With Putin of course always vowing to do whatever it takes to find the culprits.

50-100 people with close ties Clintons died within 8 years. They have blood on their hands too. Let's be real here.

Maybe, but there is a difference between being a close tie to someone and actually being an opponent of them and not merely having a death with strange circumstances, but being outright murdered.

The only question that remains is did the people of Russia elect him because of this or in spite of it?

http://nymag.com/news/features/conspiracy-theories/clinton-body-count/

US confirmed they violated Turkish airspace:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-confirms-downed-russian-plane-entered-turkish-airspace-n471481

Now someone in the comments section has claimed Russia told the UN about the flight and the UN should of alerted Turkey. But wait..alerted Turkey about what? I thought this was a navigational "error".

Zero reason to shoot them down regardless when they are helping defeat ISIS. What they did was an act of war.

Hmm, it's almost as if Russia has a problem when a country decides to do whatever the f*ck it wants. Curious.

Shooting down planes that are fighting a common enemy sounds incredibly stupid. It sounds like you really hate Russia.

I don't hate Russia, I just have no sympathy for bullies.

Pilots don't deserve to be shot like dogs after ejecting, end of story.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Shooting down planes that are fighting a common enemy sounds incredibly stupid. It sounds like you really hate Russia.

I feel bad for the pilot, but not for Russia. They aren't there to fight ISIS (maybe they are now that ISIS killed dozens of Russian citizens), they're there to prop up an awful dictatorship.

Yea I understand his contempt for Russia and yours but the pilots being gunned down like dogs in unacceptable.

The pilots don't deserve to be shot like dogs this is true. Now whoever ordered them to violate the airspace, on the other hand..

Oh woops sorry navigational error, there was no order 😉 I'm sure Turkey would be more then willing to help Russia test out their navigation systems so this error never happens again.

After all..that is the only way Russia will ever violate airspace again in the future right? Accidentally.

Let's all just agree that all sides are in the wrong. If we start placing blame we'll just go in circles.

The question here is: what should be do about it? Or what this means for international affairs?

What should be do about it? Nothing, at least not take military action on one dead pilot.
Russia should fix the error and evade these types of transgressions and Turkey should think critically of what a nuke in their backyard could look like.

What will happen? I think Putin has more to gain if he does nothing. So I don't think he'll take aggressive actions, for now.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea I understand his contempt for Russia and yours but the pilots being gunned down like dogs in unacceptable.

And Russia is as much at fault as Turkey is for playing a game of brinksmanship with a country that has intense pride issues and a centuries' old bone to pick with Russia.