DCnU Superman Vs Thor

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hard to say. His speed is all over the place. He has moved speedster like"faster than the eye can follow" and has reacted to things that can be described as lightspeed at very close range.. Where it counts most is he's never really been dominated by actual speedsters. He knows he's not one so he has opened up with powerful moves to keep speedsters off balance or keep him in the same playing field. For one he has Mjolnir that he's thrown faster that light, he can call down lightning at varying points and angles, and then he has his other more esoteric abilities like teleportation which he has actually used in battle more than once. Instantaneously at that.

If it's hard to say, and his speed is all over the place, then it's safe to say his average is firmly middling.

IOW, if he has extremes on both sides (so a '0' and a '100'😉, then he's a solid '50' in speed.

We both agree he's comparable in strength and durability to Superman (again, am sure other won't, but you cannot say I don't give props). But that insane speed advantage that Superman has, gives him the win.

I'm not talking about speed flurry punches with afterblur images, like an anime. Just 'normal' punches, which we both agree would be clocked as being faster than his flurries.

Not to mention, Superman's own perception speed being incredibly fast. I've posted scans of him scanning, analysing and blitzing in the thousandths of a second - a punch thrown by Thor would be in slow motion.

Essentially, Thor is playing Counterstrike with extreme lag.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Can Superman fans read? His first statement is Thor's speed is all over the place. You see Thor fans don't have to lie and misrespesent like Kal Qaeda does on a daily basis.

Yet you don't seem to call others out when they misrepresent scans....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If it's hard to say, and his speed is all over the place, then it's safe to say his average is firmly middling.

IOW, if he has extremes on both sides (so a '0' and a '100'😉, then he's a solid '50' in speed.

We both agree he's comparable in strength and durability to Superman (again, am sure other won't, but you cannot say I don't give props). But that insane speed advantage that Superman has, gives him the win.

I'm not talking about speed flurry punches with afterblur images, like an anime. Just 'normal' punches, which we both agree would be clocked as being faster than his flurries.

Not to mention, Superman's own perception speed being incredibly fast. I've posted scans of him scanning, analysing and blitzing in the thousandths of a second - a punch thrown by Thor would be in slow motion.

Essentially, Thor is playing Counterstrike with extreme lag.

Yet you don't seem to call others out when they misrepresent scans....

And that's a damn lie. I've called Carver out several times on scans involving Hulk and Gladiator. Stop answering for Kal-Qaeda unless you are a member.

As far as Superman's speed advantage, Thor has a MAGIC advantage and if you want to say Superman deals with magic okay, I'll say that Thor deals with speedy heralds okay. On top of that, Thor magical lighting strikes largely make up the speed advantage. Thor one of the worst heralds Superman could ever have given his attributes.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And that's a damn lie. I've called Carver out several times on scans involving Hulk and Gladiator. Stop answering for Kal-Qaeda unless you are a member.

As far as Superman's speed advantage, Thor has a MAGIC advantage and if you want to say Superman deals with magic okay, I'll say that Thor deals with speedy heralds okay. On top of that, Thor magical lighting strikes largely make up the speed advantage. Thor one of the worst heralds Superman could ever have given his attributes.

I meant in this very thread. I'm trying not to bring other interactions in (obv, it fails from time to time.

Stop answering? I was just replying to celey who was in turn responding to me.

Does Thor have a magic advantage? Do you have scans of DCnU Superman's showings against magic?

And then, as I said to One-Punch earlier in the thread - versatility's all well and good, but without the perception speed that Superman has - it's moot.

For example, Flash is just as susceptible to magic as Superman. Maybe more so, as he's just a human.

Would you give him the edge against, say, Dr Strange without auto-shields (thus preserving the speed advantage)?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I meant in this very thread. I'm trying not to bring other interactions in (obv, it fails from time to time.

Stop answering? I was just replying to celey who was in turn responding to me.

Does Thor have a magic advantage? Do you have scans of DCnU Superman's showings against magic?

And then, as I said to One-Punch earlier in the thread - versatility's all well and good, but without the perception speed that Superman has - it's moot.

For example, Flash is just as susceptible to magic as Superman. Maybe more so, as he's just a human.

Would you give him the edge against, say, Dr Strange without auto-shields (thus preserving the speed advantage)?

I'm saying the "perception advantage" has rarely work against Thor in a way that would factor into the outcome of the fight, so why continue to act like this is the deciding factor? It wouldn't be. You simply cannot deny that foes like Gladiator have legit super speed and have used it in battle against him. Thor has faced him and beaten him. But when struggling, it was not super speed that turned the table against Thor in terms of the outcome of the fight. You and others put WAY to much stock into speed and not enough into magic. And don't ask me about scan. DC did not rewrite the character from top to bottom, it's still Superman. The onus is not on me to prove he is doesn't have a defense to magic, the onus is on you to prove that Superman can now defend against magic, WHICH WOULD BE A FIRST. If DC gave him this new power, then they would have made a big deal about it, not to mention Kal-Qaeda would have been celebrating in the streets.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm saying the "perception advantage" has rarely work against Thor in a way that would factor into the outcome of the fight, so why continue to act like this is the deciding factor? It wouldn't be. You simply cannot deny that foes like Gladiator do not have legit super speed. Thor has faced him and beaten him. But when when struggling, it was not super speed that turned the table against Thor in terms of the outcome of the fight. You and others put WAY to much stock into speed and not enough into magic. And don't ask me about scan. DC did not rewrite the character from top to bottom, it's still Superman. The onus is not on me to prove he is doesn't have a defense to magic, the onus is on you to prove that Superman can now defend against magic, WHICH WOULD BE A FIRST. If DC gave him this new power, then they would have made a big deal about it.

Yes - agreed, when he fights Gladiator, who possesses incredible superspeed, speed is never a factor.

Deathstroke has also tagged Flash, many a time.

Batman has tagged several different Flashes.

Spiderman is too fast for Masterson Thor.

Cap is fast enough to take the Hulk down, who in turn is fast enough to fight Gladiator.

Wolverine is able to out-react Gladiator. Also, he is able to outreact Thor.

So do we then say all these guys are on the same level as speed?

Here is Superman taking magical lightning from a 5D imp, AFTER he had been weakened by multiple types of Kryptonite:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4296013-y2013-03-20+07-30-03+-+action+comics+18-018+-+copia.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4296014-y2013-03-20+07-30-03+-+action+comics+18-018.jpg

That imp, btw, was also attacking Superman across all reality, across all time...

@Blue...

DCNU Superman has a HUGE weakness to magic. Hell, he almost died standing close to a magical being. Then we have this famous scene.

Or this...

Or his fight against the angels that had him battered and bruised (I can post if you want to see it). He is highly vulnerable to magic.

He's grown since then, but am sure BAV will call you out on that, carver 👆

Originally posted by carver9
@Blue...

DCNU Superman has a HUGE weakness to magic. Hell, he almost died standing close to a magical being. Then we have this famous scene.

Or this...

Or his fight against the angels that had him battered and bruised (I can post if you want to see it). He is highly vulnerable to magic.

😆 Thanks Carver!!

It's hard to find honest people around here. Hey Saint, you SURE you aren't wearing a Kal-Qaeda lanyard?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's grown since then, but am sure BAV will call you out on that, carver 👆

Guess not :-(

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😆 LMAO at that first scene. Thanks Carver!!

It's hard to find honest people around here. Hey Saint, you SURE you aren't wearing a Kal-Qaeda lanyard?

So back to my original point, it's odd how you want to hand the battle on Superman's speed advantage, especially with NO MENTION of his vulnerability to magic. Thor's magic is powerful of you didn't know.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😆 Thanks Carver!!

It's hard to find honest people around here. Hey Saint, you SURE you aren't wearing a Kal-Qaeda lanyard?

Guess you missed the part earlier in this thread where carver was blatantly lying? :-( That makes me sad.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So back to my original point, it's odd how you want to hand the battle on Superman's speed advantage, especially with NO MENTION of his vulnerability to magic. Thor's magic is powerful of you didn't know.

Because without the reactions, how would Thor fire off a magical blast (which, as I have shown, isn't an auto-win, as Superman has tanked 5D imp magic) BEFORE he gets hit?

I've shown him outracing energy blasts - AFTER they've been fired.

I've shown him outracing lightning - both in statement and in deed.

I've shown him strategising, and analysing, and ACTING, extremely quickly.

For Thor to have a chance, Superman would have to literally stand there and ALLOW himself to be hit.

PIS is off. CIS is still on, agreed - but in a forum fight, Even IF Thor opens up with magical lightning spam (which he doesn't), several things could occur: Superman could outrace it , get hit by hit and tank it, just outrace Thor himself and punch him, or get KTFO by it.

You're only clinging to the last option. When I have shown there is evidence for the other options to occur.

It's the difference between a bullet and a Swiss Army knife. Sure, the knife can do all sorts of lovely tricks, and open cans/bottles/start fires/file nails etc etc...but the bullet is more effective in a fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because without the reactions, how would Thor fire off a magical blast (which, as I have shown, isn't an auto-win, as Superman has tanked 5D imp magic) BEFORE he gets hit?

I've shown him outracing energy blasts - AFTER they've been fired.

I've shown him outracing lightning - both in statement and in deed.

I've shown him strategising, and analysing, and ACTING, extremely quickly.

For Thor to have a chance, Superman would have to literally stand there and ALLOW himself to be hit.

PIS is off. CIS is still on, agreed - but in a forum fight, Even IF Thor opens up with magical lightning spam (which he doesn't), several things could occur: Superman could outrace it , get hit by hit and tank it, just outrace Thor himself and punch him, or get KTFO by it.

You're only clinging to the last option. When I have shown there is evidence for the other options to occur.

It's the difference between a bullet and a Swiss Army knife. Sure, the knife can do all sorts of lovely tricks, and open cans/bottles/start fires/file nails etc etc...but the bullet is more effective in a fight.

Looks like we are going in circles. To recap, blitzing jobs. Attacking Thor quickly is fine, but it won't make much of a different. That's where Thor's toughness and durability comes in. And if Superman is outracing Thor's lighting while Thor picks his toenails, that's fine for Thor. By the way, there is no limit to the amount or how often he calls down the lighting...and can call it from different dimensions...and doesn't need Mjolnir to pull it off.

As far as you last analogy, I don't know WTF you are trying to say with regard to this fight. Superman's cute little attacks like HV, cold breath and jobber speed is more akin to a swiss army blade. An Ura hammer thrown at light speed is more like a bullet.

By the way, your entire argument is hinging on Thor not having to time to think about lightning.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm saying the "perception advantage" has rarely work against Thor in a way that would factor into the outcome of the fight, so why continue to act like this is the deciding factor? It wouldn't be. You simply cannot deny that foes like Gladiator have legit super speed and have used it in battle against him. Thor has faced him and beaten him. But when struggling, it was not super speed that turned the table against Thor in terms of the outcome of the fight. You and others put WAY to much stock into speed and not enough into magic. And don't ask me about scan. DC did not rewrite the character from top to bottom, it's still Superman. The onus is not on me to prove he is doesn't have a defense to magic, the onus is on you to prove that Superman can now defend against magic, WHICH WOULD BE A FIRST. If DC gave him this new power, then they would have made a big deal about it, not to mention Kal-Qaeda would have been celebrating in the streets.

This is an example of the 'perception advantage. A mind-controlled Wolverine was able to dodge all of his blows, and cut Thor up.

Luckily, Thor has tougher skin, so it didn't affect him as much. He had to resort to a ground pound, in order to throw Wolverine off.

Imagine if Wolverine DIDN'T need the ground, or was actually capable of punching hard...

Sam thing happens here. Quicksilver gets cocky, and casually dodges Thor's magical lightning blasts (am sure they would've hurt had they connected!! He's pretty powerful you know!). Thor once again has to resort to ground pounding. Imagine if QS could fly....and was able to punch really hard....

Of course, those are lower showings (not his lowest, though, lol). As celey, the main Thor supporter here attests, his showings are all over the place. So his average would of course be > Wolverine, but would it be faster than Supes?

As said before, Thor is playing Counterstrike with extreme lag. All the skill in the world wouldn't help.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And that's a damn lie. I've called Carver out several times on scans involving Hulk and Gladiator. Stop answering for Kal-Qaeda unless you are a member.

As far as Superman's speed advantage, Thor has a MAGIC advantage and if you want to say Superman deals with magic okay, I'll say that Thor deals with speedy heralds okay. On top of that, Thor magical lighting strikes largely make up the speed advantage. Thor one of the worst heralds Superman could ever have given his attributes.

Originally posted by abhilegend

mmm

And here is Gladiator blitzing Thor while he is amped millions of times in speed due to a time dilation which freezes time around him.

http://i.imgur.com/GuGcjqu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bJcTun9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/foyPlQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3j2mUhr.jpg

But yeah, Thor has never been overwhelmed by a herald using speed.

Right.

Originally posted by carver9
@Blue...

DCNU Superman has a HUGE weakness to magic. Hell, he almost died standing close to a magical being. Then we have this famous scene.

Or this...

Or his fight against the angels that had him battered and bruised (I can post if you want to see it). He is highly vulnerable to magic.

Low showing extraordinaire?

Those angels killed a 5D imp and destroyed 230 planets instantly.

But that's a low showing for you.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Looks like we are going in circles. To recap, blitzing jobs. Attacking Thor quickly is fine, but it won't make much of a different. That's where Thor's toughness and durability comes in. And if Superman is outracing Thor's lighting while Thor picks his toenails, that's fine for Thor. By the way, there is no limit to the amount or how often he calls down the lighting...and can call it from different dimensions...and doesn't need Mjolnir to pull it off.

As far as you last analogy, I don't know WTF you are trying to say with regard to this fight. Superman's cute little attacks like HV, cold breather and jobber speed is more akin to a swiss army blade. An Ura hammer thrown at light speed is more like a bullet.

I'm not referring to a flurry of punches like carver loves. I've said that many a time.

A good, decent right hook or cross would be faster than a jab. If a jab is too fast for Thor to react to (as we all seem to be in agreement here), how will he be able to react to one solid haymaker? Two? Three? The harder you punch, the faster your fist.

So you're now saying as soon as the match starts, Thor is filling the entire arena with lightning? That's....OK, I guess. I haven't seen it happen, but ok. Am sure you have scans of this.

He still has to register where Superman is - which is again, the perception speed. Unless you're sayingThor just goes crazy and spams lightning over the entire arena as soon as he enters every fight?

Since you don't understand, I'll walk you through it. Thor is more versatile. He can do all sorts of lovely tricks with Mjolnir. He is a Swiss Army knife. Which option should he do first? Apparently, according to you, as soon as he is in battle, without knowing who or what he's fighting, or what the other side is capable of tanking/doing, he will just open with massive lightning storms all over the place.

Superman is a bullet. He sees the target, he zooms across.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Guess you missed the part earlier in this thread where carver was blatantly lying? :-( That makes me sad.

Yeah, I did. Show me.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yeah, I did. Show me.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Parasite just said he nevery felt a power like Wonder Woman (twice mind you) and he has absorbed Superman on multiples of occasions. That's a better description of power levels.

Page 4. If you click on the word 'post', it'll take you straight to that post. Then you can read onwards.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yeah, I did. Show me.

He's talking about the Wonder Woman showing. Go back and read everything that was said. He have his lame opinion and I have my right opinion.