DCnU Superman Vs Thor

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not referring to a flurry of punches like carver loves. I've said that many a time.

A good, decent right hook or cross would be faster than a jab. If a jab is too fast for Thor to react to (as we all seem to be in agreement here), how will he be able to react to one solid haymaker? Two? Three? The harder you punch, the faster your fist.

So you're now saying as soon as the match starts, Thor is filling the entire arena with lightning? That's....OK, I guess. I haven't seen it happen, but ok. Am sure you have scans of this.

He still has to register where Superman is - which is again, the perception speed. Unless you're sayingThor just goes crazy and spams lightning over the entire arena as soon as he enters every fight?

Since you don't understand, I'll walk you through it. Thor is more versatile. He can do all sorts of lovely tricks with Mjolnir. He is a Swiss Army knife. Which option should he do first? Apparently, according to you, as soon as he is in battle, without knowing who or what he's fighting, or what the other side is capable of tanking/doing, he will just open with massive lightning storms all over the place.

Superman is a bullet. He sees the target, he zooms across.

In addition to being condescending toward me, you are minimizing the intensity and scope of Thor's many powerful attacks by referring to them as "lovely tricks." Such are the words of bias poster. Make no mistake, I KNOW you are a Superman fan and that your fandom is driving you. Your little disclaimer about giving Thor his just due when it comes to strength and durability was an attempt to set yourself apart from Kal-Qaeda. You still see Thor not starting off with lightning, but profess that Superman will start off with blitzing. You might not be Kal-Qaeda, but you are acting a lot like a member of Pre-crISIS.
Don't worry about it, there is nothing for you to walk me through. Thor's strength and durability are negated by his puny, cute attacks, you know, the ones that break Celestials and hurt the Chaos King.

Originally posted by carver9
He's talking about the Wonder Woman showing. Go back and read everything that was said. He have his lame opinion and I have my right opinion.

Indeed.

First time that carver's referring to, Parasite's actually draining Flash - and is connected to the Speedforce, an entire dimension of kinetic energy. Swells up. Continues swelling, with Speedforce lighting all around him. Flash is KOed, unable to sever his connection.

Parasite says' even Superman doesn't feel as good'. Not surprising, since, you know, it's an entire dimension of energy. Even abhi won't say Supes> Speedforce, lol.

Second time, he drains WW. And says he's never felt anything like this before. Even though, according to carver, he HAS drained WW before (lol). Which is not surprising, as WW is magical. No mention of WW's power levels relative to Superman.

But yeah, as you can see, he still continues to cling to his opinion. Thus throwing his judgement into doubt.

Hahaha BAV calling DS Superman fan as a last option because DS is wiping the floor with him.

When no argument left call them fanboys.

Superman wins. Too fast for Thor

This is like when Galan outdebated Board walker

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
In addition to being condescending toward me, you are minimizing the intensity and scope of Thor's many powerful attacks by referring to them as "lovely tricks." Such are the words of bias poster. Make no mistake, I KNOW you are a Superman fan and that your fandom is driving you. Your little disclaimer about giving Thor his just due when it comes to strength and durability was an attempt to set yourself apart from Kal-Qaeda. You still see Thor not starting off with lightning, but profess that Superman will start off with blitzing. You might not be Kal-Qaeda, but you are acting a lot like a member of Pre-crISIS.
Don't worry about it, there is nothing for you to walk me through. Thor's strength and durability are negated by his puny, cute attacks, you know, the ones that break Celestials and hurt the Chaos King.

You were the one who brought up 'cute attacks', so are you saying you're biased?

Starting off with lightning? Sure. Spamming the entire arena over and over again with massive bolts of lightning? I haven't seen any scans he opens with this.

Whereas opening with a lightning bolt is a conscious decision, speeding up isn't. Superman doesn't think, oh, I'm in human speed mode, better shift into superspeed mode now!!!

That's the difference.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You were the one who brought up 'cute attacks', so are you saying you're biased?

Starting off with lightning? Sure. Spamming the entire arena over and over again with massive bolts of lightning? I haven't seen any scans he opens with this.

Whereas opening with a lightning bolt is a conscious decision, speeding up isn't. Superman doesn't think, oh, I'm in human speed mode, better shift into superspeed mode now!!!

That's the difference.

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And you know this based on your experience being the God of Thunder, correct? You are too much.

So let me understand you. You believe Superman will start off the fight speed blitzing because he doesn't think he just automatically uses super speed and this is supported in comics? Think VERY carefully about how the jives with him "holding back" with regard to speed.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Hahaha BAV calling DS Superman fan as a last option because DS is wiping the floor with him.

When no argument left call them fanboys.

Superman wins. Too fast for Thor

This is like when Galan outdebated Board walker

Everyone wipes their asses with you. You are Kal-Qaeda's jester incapable of heavy lifting. Have fun cheering from the perimeter you dick rider.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
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And you know this based on your experience being the God of Thunder, correct? You are too much.

So let me understand you. You believe Superman will start off the fight speed blitzing because he doesn't think he just automatically uses super speed and this is supported in comics?

Based on Thor not really having superspeed on the same scale. So his thinking processes etc are not as fast as Superman's. Based on comics.

No, you MISunderstand me. He DOES think - but he thinks FASTER than Thor does.

Supported in comics (posted in this very thread), when he analyses, strategises and acts in the thousandths of a second. Supported by other scans of him reacting to energy blasts being fired, and reacting accordingly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on Thor not really having superspeed on the same scale. So his thinking processes etc are not as fast as Superman's. Based on comics.

No, you MISunderstand me. He DOES think - but he thinks FASTER than Thor does.

Supported in comics (posted in this very thread), when he analyses, strategises and acts in the thousandths of a second. Supported by other scans of him reacting to energy blasts being fired, and reacting accordingly.

No, he doesn't. Most of your Pre-crISIS comrades have argued the exact opposite, that Superman DOES in fact go into superspeed "mode" which indicates there is conscious thought involved. Again, you want me to accept Superman's bullshit, you are going to have to accept Thor's. Thor has fought many herald's with super speed, most of which have been Superman clones, and has faired well against super speed. There is no logical reason for it, but it has happened enough for iit not to be explained by CIS or PIS. Furthermore, Thor is able to fly at many times the speed of light, so what does that say about his ability to perceive super speed? When Thor was chasing Scuttlebutt, he clearly perceived speeds far beyond light. Now tell me I'm wrong.

Just admit you are biased and unwilling to apply the same logical toward Thor as you are Superman and call it a day.

Hahaha. This kid is really gone to far end.

Comparing someone to ISIS? For daring to not give a win to marvel character?

Reported. It's one thing to do it as a joke, it's one thing to use it repeatedly like some sort of insult.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Everyone wipes their asses with you. You are Kal-Qaeda's jester incapable of heavy lifting. Have fun cheering from the perimeter you dick rider.

Poor BAV. Does it hurt? He is really kicking your ass. I mean Abhi does that on a daily basis. But comming from DS who is not a "Kal-quaeda" member it's just epic.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, he doesn't. Most of your Pre-crISIS comrades have argued the exact opposite, that Superman DOES in fact go into superspeed "mode" which indicates there is conscious thought involved. Again, you want me to accept Superman's bullshit, you are going to have to accept Thor's. Thor has fought many herald's with super speed, most of which have been Superman clones, and has faired well against super speed. There is no logical reason for it, but it has happened enough for iit not to be explained by CIS or PIS. Furthermore, Thor is able to fly at many times the speed of light, so what does that say about his ability to perceive super speed? When Thor was chasing Scuttlebutt, he clearly perceived speeds far beyond light. Now tell me I'm wrong.

Just admit you are biased and unwilling to apply the same logical toward Thor as you are Superman and call it a day.

Marvel comic characters rarely ever fight using their top speed. Writers often ignore their speed for the sake of the plot. So Thor, Hulk, Thanos, Spider-Man, etc fighting Surfer when Surfer is not actually using his top speed will be common. He'll even Wolverine and Spider-Man was shown to be faster than Thor. Hulk shown as fast as Surfer, Thor, etc.

Finally, a human can perceived light speed objects, if they moving in space in a large enough distance.

Your fallacy is speed without distance (i.e. Time of perception). A human can react to a star if they were moving at hundreds of the speed of light toward it from 1AU away. Thor reacting to light speed from great distances doesn't prove anything. Thor was never shown to react to light speed from 5ft away (punching distance).

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, he doesn't. Most of your Pre-crISIS comrades have argued the exact opposite, that Superman DOES in fact go into superspeed "mode" which indicates there is conscious thought involved. Again, you want me to accept Superman's bullshit, you are going to have to accept Thor's. Thor has fought many herald's with super speed, most of which have been Superman clones, and has faired well against super speed. There is no logical reason for it, but it has happened enough for iit not to be explained by CIS or PIS. Furthermore, Thor is able to fly at many times the speed of light, so what does that say about his ability to perceive super speed? When Thor was chasing Scuttlebutt, he clearly perceived speeds far beyond light. Now tell me I'm wrong.

Just admit you are biased and unwilling to apply the same logical toward Thor as you are Superman and call it a day.

They're not my comrades, although we agree that Superman wins.

What the other posters may think or say, has no bearing on what I think or say. But as you bring the others up, I'm sure Philosophia or Juntai and I argued whether Superman/Flash have different gears they can shift into. Not sure how applicable it is to New 52 Supes, though. HAven't seen him doing this gear shift. Even if there IS a gear shift, with conscious thought involved - are you saying he has human level thought process speed? If not, how fast is his 'base'?

Abhi has posted Thor losing to Gladiator, when Glads is using his speed, so...like celey admits, his speed showings are all over the place (I keep referencing him because no one else is even bringing anything up).

Batman has tagged many a speedster pre-DCnU - so shall we say he has superspeed? You'd be the first to crucify me if I brought it up - and you'd be right for doing so.

You are not wrong - Thor has indeed perceived and chased Scuttlebutt - and admitted he was too slow. But that is by the by - what's important, is that he managed to see it.

But as you yourself say:

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Can Superman fans read? His first statement is Thor's speed is all over the place. You see Thor fans don't have to lie and misrespesent like Kal Qaeda does on a daily basis.

His speed isn't on that level, on average.

Yeah, you guys need to calm the **** down. Like, now.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, you guys need to calm the **** down. Like, now.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, I am - but who's more dangerous, Surfer with human reflexes, or Flash with a knife?

They both sound dangerous to me, but the former sounds a little more so 😉

Of course, the gap isn't as large between Thor/Supes as Flash and humans....but my point is, when one side is faster, versatility kinda goes out the window. A bullet is more effective than a Swiss Army knife in a fight.

For example who would do better in a fight against classic Juggernaut without BFR, Thor or Flash/Superman? Flash & Supe's fight would be an endless stalemate, Thor could end the fight much faster thanks to his magical force-field canceling versatility.

Not convinced? Versatility is the reason someone like Dr.Polaris beat the post-crisis JLA (including Superman and Flash) despite the fact that most members are more powerful than him individually. Polaris didn't overpower them mind you, he simply exploited their weaknesses with his versatility.

Versatility also what allowed Vibe to cut off DCNU Flash from the speed-force and contend with Kid Flash.

In actual comics, speed isn't the end-all be-all of fights as seen when Superman's blitzes failed to be effective against Mongul, Orion, Straith, and yes Wraith too. He blitzed Wraith to the moon but Wraith shrugged it off and in the next panels used his versatility to create quasi-kryponite radiation to weakn Superman. In fact, the whole reason Superman brought Wraith under Earth's core is to compromise his "fancy powers" aka versatility, so that they could only fight with their, quote: "strength, speed, and wits."

lol swiss army knife, more like mobile army base. Remember it's not just versatility, it's versatility + POWER.

And what if you just ran full tilt at the bag, with your arms outstretched? IOW, like how Superman blitzes most of the time (I'm not turning him into Batman with the Speedforce, lol).

Starting distance, 500m, Superman flies straight at Thor and punches him. I don't think Thor can react in time to that.

Superman can and will hit Thor sure, but knock him out before Thor can even process a thought? That's just outlandish, if you have scans of Superman beating a high herald level character on Thor's level before they could even think feel free to post them. It's as outlandish as claiming Surfer will open singularities in people's eyeballs, even though he's stated he could do so.

True, but we've seen what he can do when expending his energy. He's able to bench the Earth for five days, without sunlight or rest. So his reserves are pretty high.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Well one can atomize worlds and incinerate all life on planets with just a thought, the other can cut a lot of people in a short amount of time.

They both sound dangerous to me, but the former sounds a little more so 😉

I think depending on the fight, versatility can definitely trump speed.

For example who would do better in a fight against classic Juggernaut without BFR, Thor or Flash/Superman? Flash & Supe's fight would be an endless stalemate, Thor could end the fight much faster thanks to his magical force-field canceling versatility.

Not convinced? Versatility is the reason someone like Dr.Polaris beat the post-crisis JLA (including Superman and Flash) despite the fact that most members are more powerful than him individually. Polaris didn't overpower them mind you, he simply exploited their weaknesses with his versatility.

Versatility also what allowed Vibe to cut off DCNU Flash from the speed-force and contend with Kid Flash.

In actual comics, speed isn't the end-all be-all of fights as seen when Superman's blitzes failed to be effective against Mongul, Orion, Straith, and yes Wraith too. He blitzed Wraith to the moon but Wraith shrugged it off and in the next panels used his [b]versatility to create quasi-kryponite radiation to weakn Superman. In fact, the whole reason Superman brought Wraith under Earth's core is to compromise his "fancy powers" aka versatility, so that they could only fight with their, quote: "strength, speed, and wits."

lol swiss army knife, more like mobile army base. Remember it's not just versatility, it's versatility + POWER.

Is flying and smashing into someone at super speed actually blitzing? Cause a lot of herald level characters can do that, including Thor.

Superman can and will hit Thor sure, but knock him out before Thor can even process a thought? That's just outlandish, if you have scans of Superman beating a high herald level character on Thor's level before they could even think feel free to post them. It's as outlandish as claiming Surfer will open singularities in people's eyeballs, even though he's stated he could do so.

Not saying he doesn't have a lot of energy to spend. Just saying that with the finite amount he has, it'd be wrong of us to assume he can throw full-force punches and go top speed simultaneously. This is consistent with his super-speed punches not having much affect on Orion and many others for example. [/B]

👆 B-class hero, A-class poster.

Take your point on versatility - but your analogy uses a guy who can't be KOed by physical means (by heralds, anyway). So a bit misleading. Polaris didn't beat Flash and Supes, either, remember - he threw ships at Superman, and Flash ran away from Polaris, rather than at him. Then they all fell back.

And you're right, in COMICS, it isn't the be all and end all in fights. But in a forum fight? When both sides are comparable in physical stats (incl. durability)?

Not to mention, Wraith had speed of his own. But we both agree that Superman can hit Thor, that's fine.

How much faster would you say Superman was to Thor? as in, how many punches would Superman land on Thor?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Well one can atomize worlds and incinerate all life on planets with just a thought, the other can cut a lot of people in a short amount of time.

They both sound dangerous to me, but the former sounds a little more so 😉

I think depending on the fight, versatility can definitely trump speed.

For example who would do better in a fight against classic Juggernaut without BFR, Thor or Flash/Superman? Flash & Supe's fight would be an endless stalemate, Thor could end the fight much faster thanks to his magical force-field canceling versatility.

Not convinced? Versatility is the reason someone like Dr.Polaris beat the post-crisis JLA (including Superman and Flash) despite the fact that most members are more powerful than him individually. Polaris didn't overpower them mind you, he simply exploited their weaknesses with his versatility.

Versatility also what allowed Vibe to cut off DCNU Flash from the speed-force and contend with Kid Flash.

In actual comics, speed isn't the end-all be-all of fights as seen when Superman's blitzes failed to be effective against Mongul, Orion, Straith, and yes Wraith too. He blitzed Wraith to the moon but Wraith shrugged it off and in the next panels used his [b]versatility to create quasi-kryponite radiation to weakn Superman. In fact, the whole reason Superman brought Wraith under Earth's core is to compromise his "fancy powers" aka versatility, so that they could only fight with their, quote: "strength, speed, and wits."

lol swiss army knife, more like mobile army base. Remember it's not just versatility, it's versatility + POWER.

Is flying and smashing into someone at super speed actually blitzing? Cause a lot of herald level characters can do that, including Thor.

Superman can and will hit Thor sure, but knock him out before Thor can even process a thought? That's just outlandish, if you have scans of Superman beating a high herald level character on Thor's level before they could even think feel free to post them. It's as outlandish as claiming Surfer will open singularities in people's eyeballs, even though he's stated he could do so.

Not saying he doesn't have a lot of energy to spend. Just saying that with the finite amount he has, it'd be wrong of us to assume he can throw full-force punches and go top speed simultaneously. This is consistent with his super-speed punches not having much affect on Orion and many others for example. [/B]

Even after that and with broken ribs, Superman proceeded to beat the shit out of him.

Thor isn't remotely in Wraith's League.

Not that he needs speed to beat Thor. Simple strength is sufficient.

Drops H'el to his knees in two punches.

http://i.imgur.com/34PMt8s.jpg

Punches a hole in Omac.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/2369961-omac.jpg

You've already seen him going toe to toe with Darkseid or ripping Doomsday in half.

It's not just about KO'ing Thor before he processes a thought. Please show me a scan of Thor calling down these huge storms while at the same time getting wailed on by a Class 100. When I say wailed on I do not mean just a punch or two either.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's not just about KO'ing Thor before he processes a thought. Please show me a scan of Thor calling down these huge storms while at the same time getting wailed on by a Class 100. When I say wailed on I do not mean just a punch or two either.

How many punches in a second?