Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know, but we could sure simplify this by someone pointing out whether or not Thor has indeed done any of these things while getting actively beat on. You could totally nip the conversation in the butt by providing such a feat.
You made the assumption though. So how many in a second?
This is why I brought up the fact that crosses/uppercuts/hooks are faster than jabs.
Everyone agrees on this. You punch harder, your fists are faster.
If Thor can't react to a flurry of jabs, how would he react to one of Superman's 'strong' punches? Then another? And another? At WHAT point does Thor catch up?
Surtur, beware carver's attempt to try and red herring you. Note how he answered your question with a question.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is why I brought up the fact that crosses/uppercuts/hooks are faster than jabs.Everyone agrees on this. You punch harder, your fists are faster.
If Thor can't react to a flurry of jabs, how would he react to one of Superman's 'strong' punches? Then another? And another? At WHAT point does Thor catch up?
Surtur, beware carver's attempt to try and red herring you. Note how he answered your question with a question.
Two or three would suffice for Thor.
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Originally posted by carver9
You made the assumption though. So how many in a second?
I already said I don't know an exact number of punches per second. But we can simplify this: assuming you have the strength of Superman..the minimum number of punches needed to KO Thor would be..what?
Let's toss out some random numbers. What state is Thor in after 5 punches? 10 punches?
Also notice the "assumption" I made was that Thor couldn't bust out these moves whilst getting wailed on. If you had a feat to prove me wrong I would imagine you would of posted it.
Yeah - speed is NOT the issue here for Thor supporters to prove.
We know Superman is fast enough to tag Thor. Once? Twice? Three times? It does not matter.
What DOES matter, is Thor's DURABILITY. Can he tank Superman's punches?
If yes (and it is a yes), how many can he take?
Then the ball is back in Superman's court. How many can he throw?
I see Superman beating Thor by 1 punch at a time. 1 punch will do some serious jarring. Another punch could be thrown seconds later, etc. until Thor is koed. What's important is that Superman uses his perceptions to either beat Thor to the punch (hit Thor before Thor sucessfully launches an attack), knock Mjolnir from him, or simply avoid Thor's attacks.
In any case, the argument of Superman throwing many speed punches is faulty. Each punch will be launched faster than Thor can move or respond. Thor gets up and Superman does it again, seconds later. No need to blitz a bunch of punches (Thor would have to be pinned for that to work anyway).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If it's hard to say, and his speed is all over the place, then it's safe to say his average is firmly middling.IOW, if he has extremes on both sides (so a '0' and a '100'😉, then he's a solid '50' in speed.
We both agree he's comparable in strength and durability to Superman (again, am sure other won't, but you cannot say I don't give props). But that insane speed advantage that Superman has, gives him the win.
I'm not talking about speed flurry punches with afterblur images, like an anime. Just 'normal' punches, which we both agree would be clocked as being faster than his flurries.
Not to mention, Superman's own perception speed being incredibly fast. I've posted scans of him scanning, analysing and blitzing in the thousandths of a second - a punch thrown by Thor would be in slow motion.
Essentially, Thor is playing Counterstrike with extreme lag.
Yet you don't seem to call others out when they misrepresent scans....
Since you said "full potential", I have no choice, but to bring up actual on panel reaction feats. The fight starts at a decent distance(.5km). Like I said, all he needs is one or two moves to counter an initial blitz that will allow him to start opening up with his myriad other abilities.
Now taking CIS into account, that only increases his chances of not getting fully blitzed from the get go. It also works against him because then he probably won't be using things like a soul suck, godblast, weather manip, instantaneous teleportation/bfr, energy drain, etc. etc. early and often...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Gladiator has never looked too fast for Thor?And here is Gladiator blitzing Thor while he is amped millions of times in speed due to a time dilation which freezes time around him.
http://i.imgur.com/GuGcjqu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bJcTun9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/foyPlQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3j2mUhr.jpgBut yeah, Thor has never been overwhelmed by a herald using speed.
Right.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17again, anyone, including humans, can perceive objects moving at light speeds or beyond provided that the object is moving over a large enough distance to increase the time to react. For example, a human flying at a thousand times the speed of light could avoid hitting a planet if they are 1AU away.
When I say speed is all over the place, I mean he gets tagged by streets. But let's face it, who doesn't. Even Superman gets tagged by streets.
Then we have him perceiving objects moving several times the speed of light. He not only perceived it, he knew exactly where it was headed and quickly travelled to where it was while it was still moving. This let's us know that it didn't just wiz by him after he teleported to the vicinity it was passing through. He perceived it, tracked it with his eye, and reacted fast enough for him to move to the direction it was travelling to. The most impressive thing is it was moving SEVERAL times the speed of light. As per the scan, he eventually puts a hole on it with a hammer throw.
And we also have Thor dodging, parrying, and swatting all forms of energy/light based attacks. Many starting at very close range from him.
We also know that he has dealt with incredibly fast individuals like Angela, future Gladz, Hyperion, etc.Since you said "full potential", I have no choice, but to bring up actual on panel reaction feats. The fight starts at a decent distance(.5km). Like I said, all he needs is one or two moves to counter an initial blitz that will allow him to start opening up with his myriad other abilities.
Now taking CIS into account, that only increases his chances of not getting fully blitzed from the get go. It also works against him because then he probably won't be using things like a soul suck, godblast, weather manip, instantaneous teleportation/bfr, energy drain, etc. etc. early and often...
Superman could arrive 5ft in front of Thor in less than a microsecond. What could Thor do in that amount of time?
