Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I'm sure Abhi will bedunk every single scan of yours, I will do it, but I have more important things to do than spoon feed you.
Sorry no, what he does include s not reading scans and butchering context. What he is going to give me is a bunch of keyboard vomit.
As he disingenuously tries to act mature. When we're both nerds doing something incredibly stupid because that's our hobby.
I am predicting "hyperbole" despite the fact he would be happy to accept any times-frames for Superman. I am predicting "oh, but that was an illusion" ignoring that they were reacting to said illusions in real time. I am predicting "watch your tongue boy" and "you're welcome kid."
You know what, I have a legitimate question.
Why are people incapable of being objective regarding this? Why don't both sides take a smoke of bruce banner #2, and acknowledge what the other side is capable of?
There always seems to be a bias for or against something. At CBR they hate Superman and Thor. Here there seems to be some Silver Surfer and Thor hate. Don't know what else.
At Spacebattles they have a preference for anime, and generally don't care for comic books.
It's the same everywhere. Does someone always have to have an agenda? This is a hobby we just do in order to kill time.
You don't have to treat it as if it's a war.
I have seen and read the whole context of most scans you posted none suggest SS can move his limbs fast like flash or superman not even spiderman.
What you are doing is a fallacy.
Let me give you this example
An F16 pilot can fly a supersonic jet and react accordingly therefore a pilot should be a able to tag Spiderman since Spiderman is not supersonic.
Now, you can agree or disagree. I honestly don't care if you do one or the other. I understand that you can have a different oppinion.
But an F16 pilot does not has supersonic reflexes and won't be able to tag spiderman IMO.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
[B]I have seen and read the whole context of most scans you posted none suggest SS can move his limbs fast like flash or superman not even spiderman.
He literally moved his hand to blast a train in a microsecond, and threw some guy into a building in a microsecond.
That means his limb speed was ridiculous. Do you understand that even moving a foot in a microsecond is eight hundred times the speed of sound?
What you are doing is a fallacy.
What fallacy pray tell is it? Do you even know the specific fallacies?
Let me give you this exampleAn F16 pilot can fly a supersonic jet and react accordingly therefore a pilot should be a able to tag Spiderman since Spiderman is not supersonic.
This example is a bad one because the pilots are not reacting to their own speed. They're not flying within cramped spaces, and blasting things the moment they fly past them.
The example where Silver Surfer flew around someone at faster than light speeds? It means that in that cramp area, and in that tiny time-frame he had to adjust his flight and blast that guy.
You know it only takes a nanosecond for light to travel a foot? Now keep in mind how small that area was, and that Silver Surfer was able to act in the timeframe. Well, actually it was even shorter since he was flying faster than light.
Meaning he adjusted his flight, and attacked that guy in a very short timeframe.
Now, you can agree or disagree. I honestly don't care if you do one or the other. I understand that you can have a different oppinion.
These guys don't even exist of course you are entitled to your own opinion but the problem I have here is that you're not thinking this through. You're not using your head. Just take what I said above for example.
You're not noticing that these situations are very different.
But an F16 pilot does not has supersonic reflexes and won't be able to tag spiderman IMO.
Of course they don't but they're not acting within the time-frame of a nanosecond to attack someone in that time in a cramp area. That's where the comparison fails.
They're just supersonic, and they're not flying around someone or right next to something.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[B]You still can't accept how slow Surfer is? 😉
Why would I?
I don't take instances of garbage writing seriously. That's not what I do, and the only time I do so is when someone else is in order show them that they have a double standard.
All those years spent lurking here just to start shit now?
Not really, I only sporadically visited KMC every once in a while. I just happen to have frequented it more often recently.
I haven't been paying attention to anything, and didn't even know there was a group on KMC such as yourselves.
Originally posted by Sharivan
I know this website comes with good recommendations. It will help you find whatever help that you need.https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/
Since this obviously a fixation that has been lasting for years. It is going to be hard to break out of it but with the right determination anything is possible.
Originally posted by Sharivan
Acting in less time than a microsecond.Yet again acting within the timeframe of a microsecond.
The Silver Surfer moving to blast a train in the time-frame of a microsecond.
Acting within the timeframe of a nanosecond.
Searching the entire planet in moments.
Yet again moving within the timeframe of a nanosecond.
The Silver Surfer keeping up with the speed of his own board, and being able to blast things as he passes by them.
The Silver Surfer being able to circle someone at faster than light speeds, and attack them in that time-frame.
You can shut up now.
Surfer's board is a separate sentient entity as of Dan Slott's run and even a human like Dawn Greenwood can see and react to everything while on the board.
And still posting that illusion I see.
And a mental processing feat.
Good to know you've combed a respect thread for scans.
And why is this thread a spite thread? You seem to be pretty convinced that Surfer is a high end Speedster able to react in nanoseconds. Why not run at those speeds?
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And even Iron Fist and Black Panther have explicit "microsecond to dodge" feats.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3897780-iron+fist+microsecond+feat.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ap7IP2g.jpg
Black Panther's even has narration stating it. Not the character.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]You need help kid. This much fixation on me is worrisome.
So how fast do you think Lobo or Green Lanterns are?
You started this to begin with. If you didn't want me to continue it then you would have at least given me some leeway.
I don't get on your behind when Superman is involved unless you specifically hold yourself to a double standard.
Surfer's board is a separate sentient entity as of Dan Slott's run and even a human like Dawn Greenwood can see and react to everything while on the board.
So, Dawn Greenwood has used the board to circle around someone at faster than light speeds in a cramped area, and attack them in that same time-frame?
Care to provide that instance? If there's anything such as what I just said then Dawn Greenwood is freaking fast.
In comic books characters are not defined by their powersets. They are defined by what they do.
And still posting that illusion I see.
Already explained in the last thread. If you want to see my response go there.
And a mental processing feat.
Which one?
The one with the train has Silver Surfer moving to blast it with his hand. The one with the where he throws that guy into a building has him throwing that guy into that building. The nanoseconds ones are the same.
The only one you could be referring to is when Silver Surfer searches the planet, and that would require him to be able to keep up with himself as he checks every part of it instead of flying blind.
Good to know you've combed a respect thread for scans.
Don't act as if you don't do the same thing. You ripped off a bunch of images from comicvine. In this thread and the other one. You took one of my images that I posted for Iron Fist v3 #1, and reposted it in this very post.
That I brought up in a previous thread.
This is the same thing Pendaran would try to get on people's nerves even if they knew the context behind them.
You have literally become what you hated.
I should know because I was banned from CBR years ago for the same reason you were. Disagreeing with a standardized norm.
One of the things I did was defend Superman, and debate in his favor.
You hear that?
That's irony.
And why is this thread a spite thread?
You literally cannot see that it exists solely for the purpose of making jabs at another character?
That's why you made it in the first place. That's why you bumped it. That's why you proved me right about you by restarting an old thread because of a personal hang up.
You seem to be pretty convinced that Surfer is a high end Speedster able to react in nanoseconds.
This is not even high end. The crazy feats are ones like Ares following Nate Grey into the Planck length between moments, and then fighting there. Such as in Dark Avengers?
A nanosecond feat is old hat. We have people like Hourman being able to operate in picoseconds.
We have people like the Flash dodging within the timeframe of femtoseconds, and Superman keeping up with him.
Why not run at those speeds?
Why does D from Vampire Hunter D need a horse to get around despite being able to slash lasers out of the air?
As much as I hate to admit it sometimes combat speed, and travel speed are widely different.
Silver Surfer needs his board
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As I already explained you have become no better than Pendaran.
Originally posted by abhilegend And even Iron Fist and Black Panther have explicit "microsecond to dodge" feats.
I already know this one of the scans you're posting is from my stash. Specifically Iron Fist v3 #1.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t629459.html
I already argued in favor for it.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132618/3897780-iron+fist+microsecond+feat.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Ap7IP2g.jpg
Black Panther's even has narration stating it. Not the character.
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So does the instance where Danny escapes in Iron Fist v3 #1, and some of the instances I brought up for Silver Surfer.
I see nothing wrong with accepting both of these instances, and in hindsight it makes sense and explains why Black Panther and his ilk can keep up with Iron Fist.
They both move within a microsecond. Well, Danny does more by limbo dodging and doing three backflips so it's faster but at least they have somewhat similiar speeds.
Originally posted by Sharivan
You started this to begin with. If you didn't want me to continue it then you would have at least given me some leeway.
Why would I do that? And yes, I started it? Whatcha gonna do about it?
I don't get on your behind when Superman is involved unless you specifically hold yourself to a double standard.
Well, this thread doesn't involves Superman. You can stop whining about it any time you want.
So, Dawn Greenwood has used the board to circle around someone at faster than light speeds in a cramped area, and attack them in that same time-frame?
Yes, she was even talking to herself while they were travelling faster than light into past.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593631/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-009.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593633/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-010.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593634/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-011.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593636/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-012.jpg.html
Some FTL human she is.
Care to provide that instance? If there's anything such as what I just said then Dawn Greenwood is freaking fast.
Yes, FTL humans it is.
In comic books characters are not defined by their powersets. They are defined by what they do.
Ah, yes. That's why we are talking about whether surfer is a speedster when he has never been one.
Already explained in the last thread. If you want to see my response go there.
I already did. Its utter shit.
Which one?
Mental processing one.
http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpg
The one with the train has Silver Surfer moving to blast it with his hand. The one with the where he throws that guy into a building has him throwing that guy into that building. The nanoseconds ones are the same.
Haha, you are still not getting it, are you? That's a common catchphrase in comics.
You think Black Panther can move several times the speed of sound? Writers don't take that much science in account.
The only one you could be referring to is when Silver Surfer searches the planet, and that would require him to be able to keep up with himself as he checks every part of it instead of flying blind.
Or he could've just used his cosmic senses to search that. Thor has done that too and he is slow as shit.
Don't act as if you don't do the same thing. You ripped off a bunch of images from comicvine. In this thread and the other one. You took one of my images that I posted for Iron Fist v3 #1, and reposted it in this very post.
I did a quick google search and I've actually read all those comics.
That I brought up in a previous thread.
And?
This is the same thing Pendaran would try to get on people's nerves even if they knew the context behind them.
Now you compare me to Pendaran? Haha, oh kid.
You have literally become what you hated.
I don't hate online posters or message boards kid. You are too absorbed in your head canon.
I should know because I was banned from CBR years ago for the same reason you were. Disagreeing with a standardized norm.
I don't give a shit. Should I?
One of the things I did was defend Superman, and debate in his favor.You hear that?
Should I be impressed?
That's irony.
What will it take you to stay on topic?
You literally cannot see that it exists solely for the purpose of making jabs at another character?
No. People like you think surfer and Thor are speedsters. So it should be clear that they can run like a speedster too.
That's why you made it in the first place. That's why you bumped it. That's why you proved me right about you by restarting an old thread because of a personal hang up.
Its all about you, eh?
And no, I just bumped it because I found it amusing. Whatcha gonna do about it? Make some more personal comments about me?
This is not even high end. The crazy feats are ones like Ares following Nate Grey into the Planck length between moments, and then fighting there. Such as in Dark Avengers?
Not a speed feat.
A nanosecond feat is old hat. We have people like Hourman being able to operate in picoseconds.We have people like the Flash dodging within the timeframe of femtoseconds, and Superman keeping up with him.
You are too hung up on the comicvine and spacebattle mania where only singular high end feats are the average.
Come down from your high horse. This is not comicvine.
Why does D from Vampire Hunter D need a horse to get around despite being able to slash lasers out of the air?As much as I hate to admit it sometimes combat speed, and travel speed are widely different.
Not sometimes. Everytime.
Silver Surfer needs his board
But why? Isn't he some kind of super speedster able to react in nanoseconds and what not?
As I already explained you have become no better than Pendaran.
As if I give a shit about what you think.
I already know this one of the scans you're posting is from my stash. Specifically Iron Fist v3 #1.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t629459.html
I already argued in favor for it.
That's a compelling argument for Iron Fist not having microsecond level speed.
No, seriously.
What about Black Panther?
So does the instance where Danny escapes in Iron Fist v3 #1, and some of the instances I brought up for Silver Surfer.I see nothing wrong with accepting both of these instances, and in hindsight it makes sense and explains why Black Panther and his ilk can keep up with Iron Fist.
You think the writers have these kind of feats in mind when they write Black Panther facing off Iron Fist? Seriously?
They both move within a microsecond. Well, Danny does more by limbo dodging and doing three backflips so it's faster but at least they have somewhat similiar speeds.
So are they as fast as silver surfer and Thor? Don't leave us hanging man.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would I do that? And yes, I started it? Whatcha gonna do about it?
Continually note the comparison between you and Pendaran until you shrivel in your own shell.
Well, this thread doesn't involves Superman. You can stop whining about it any time you want.
No, I won't.
You're happy to whine about Silver Surfer and Thor whenever you feel like it. I will do the same here in order to showcase your hypocrisy.
As that is on topic.
Yes, she was even talking to herself while they were travelling faster than light into past.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593631/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-009.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593633/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-010.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593634/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-011.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23593636/Silver_Surfer_2014-_013-012.jpg.htmlSome FTL human she is.
You count talking as something that can be used in combat? Are you for real? When comic books are explicity known for the fact that talking is a free action?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingIsAFreeAction
Seriously, this is not strange. Comic books are weird in regards to this.
Yes, FTL humans it is.
How does the fact she can talk on Silver Surfer's board mean that she is FTL? When talking is a free action, and we do not know fast they are going?
Ah, yes. That's why we are talking about whether surfer is a speedster when he has never been one.
When he has always been fast, and has numerous instances where he acts in tiny timeframes. The only reason you are invested in this because of your history in regards to Superman match ups, and because you are incapable of being objective.
I already did. Its utter shit.
No, it wasn't. You just plugged your ears, and refused to listen to anything I said.
Assuming I was trying to get the last word in.
Mental processing one.
How about you actually finish reading it, and note that in the last panel after he processed what was happening?
In less time than that Silver Surfer "could streak into the fray," and that's precisely what he did.
Haha, you are still not getting it, are you? That's a common catchphrase in comics.
You're still not getting the fact that it is a specific timeframe that actually means something.
It is not hyperbolic.
You think Black Panther can move several times the speed of sound? Writers don't take that much science in account.
It doesn't matter what the writers think. They have no place within a versus context. There are even rules against using author statments and claims on KMC. Due to the fact writers can in fact be idiots.
You're breaking them as we speak by showing reverence for these things.
Just take for example the creator of Luther Strode who thinks he has only twice the physical ability of a peak human. Despite dozens of feats proving otherwise.
Or he could've just used his cosmic senses to search that. Thor has done that too and he is slow as shit.
We're talking about the same Thor who can dodge Mjolnir? The same Thor who is stated to be as fast his own lightning? The same Thor who can act within microseconds?
http://i.imgur.com/1MBHzmX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9iw5R85.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RRMLMqo.jpg
Thor who can block attacks from the Phoenix.
http://i.imgur.com/FS0d5zi.jpg
Mjolnir which can explicity move faster than light even within an atmosphere.
http://i.imgur.com/NQ1sywf.jpg
As I already noted Thor can dodge it.
I did a quick google search and I've actually read all those comics.
Sure you have. Now here is evidence that I have literally every one of Iron Fist's appearances.
Who here has more clout?
And?
I already posted the thread.
Now you compare me to Pendaran? Haha, oh kid.
Do you notice how you ignore things you don't like or refuse to acknowledge what a character is capable of based on some predisposition you have?
That's Pendaran.
I don't hate online posters or message boards kid. You are too absorbed in your head canon.
Yes, you do and you made it clear you think yourself better than the people at CBR. You made an account there to begin with because they were trashing your husbando.
Don't pretend you don't have an emotional investment in it when you are so sore about it that you still feel the need to somehow establish your superiority. Which you can't because they banned you.
I don't give a shit. Should I?
You should since you made the claim I was trying to defend them in the last thread.
Should I be impressed?
You should recognize that unlike you I haven't let something in the past effect my ability to be objective.
What will it take you to stay on topic?
What is it going to take for you to realize I am not going to take an attempt at baiting me, and adding to a spite thread seriously?
No. People like you think surfer and Thor are speedsters. So it should be clear that they can run like a speedster too.
In this very post you establish that you think combat speed and travel speed are always different. How can you think that, and say that they need to be able to run around as fast as they are able to attack?
Its all about you, eh?
I am the center of the universe.
After all just like Tendo Souji I walk the path of heaven.
And no, I just bumped it because I found it amusing. Whatcha gonna do about it? Make some more personal comments about me?
Probably report you to the mods for blatant disregard of the rules, and make note of the fact yoy dug up a thread with the specific purpose of getting a particular response from me.
Not a speed feat.
Yes, it is.
Ares was able to recognize that Nate Grey was operating withing that timeframe, and chases after him under his own power.
That is a speed feat.
You are too hung up on the comicvine and spacebattle mania where only singular high end feats are the average.
You are too hung up on incredibly inconsistent showings where characters like the Silver Surfer get beat up by the likes of freaking Spiderman.
Seriously, how can anyone genuinely argue in favor of that with a straight face?
Come down from your high horse. This is not comicvine.
I don't even frequent comicvine anymore. I have less activity there than I do here.
Not sometimes. Everytime.
You say this, and then still try to say someone needs to be able to run long distances in similiar speeds for it to be acceptable? You have no internal consistency, and don't adhere to your own standards.
You freaking hypocrite.
But why? Isn't he some kind of super speedster able to react in nanoseconds and what not?
You said it yourself the distance a person can travel, and how quickly they can fight is different.
Heck, even in real life this speaks true.
A fine example is the Mantis Shrimp. It is freaking slow but it can punch at the speed of sound.
As if I give a shit about what you think.
It doesn't matter if you care or not. The facts are on my side, and they are more important than whatever opinion you have.
That's a compelling argument for Iron Fist not having microsecond level speed.
What compelling argument? The only half decent ones were mine in that thread. The rest was just one guy whining, and giving no reason for why I was wrong.
No, seriously.
No, it isn't.
We're talking about comic books not real life. This speed is not strange within an incredibly unrealistic fictional medium.
What about Black Panther?
Did you even read my post? I said they both seemed acceptable to me, and that it made sense in hindsight.
I already clarified this.
You think the writers have these kind of feats in mind when they write Black Panther facing off Iron Fist? Seriously?
This is why death of the author is important within a versus context. These comic books writers have some of the worst senses for scale. They do not comprehend what these characters are capable of based on what they have done.
They just write whatever is cool.
As fine example is the fact Batman can hide from nearly anyone for no reason at all. Jesus Christ it has even worked Superman, and that is retarded.
So are they as fast as silver surfer and Thor? Don't leave us hanging man.
They have only acted within microseconds. Whereas Thor and the Silver Surfer have instances where they clearly needed to be moving faster than light. Which means a shorter timeframe than microseconds.
Originally posted by Sharivan
Continually note the comparison between you and Pendaran until you shrivel in your own shell.
Blast away. Nobody cares especially me.
No, I won't.You're happy to whine about Silver Surfer and Thor whenever you feel like it. I will do the same here in order to showcase your hypocrisy.
As that is on topic.
So, you are just here for trolling? Good to know.
You count talking as something that can be used in combat? Are you for real? When comic books are explicity known for the fact that talking is a free action?http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingIsAFreeAction
Seriously, this is not strange. Comic books are weird in regards to this.
TV tropes is used for debates now? Seriously?
How does the fact she can talk on Silver Surfer's board mean that she is FTL? When talking is a free action, and we do not know fast they are going?
She is able to perceive FTL travelling surfer and Dawn from another time and spot a gap in reality which even Surfer didn't.
You are seriously blinded if you think that wasn't some FTL reflexes right there.
When he has always been fast, and has numerous instances where he acts in tiny timeframes. The only reason you are invested in this because of your history in regards to Superman match ups, and because you are incapable of being objective.
He has never been fast reflex wise. Faux internet warriors like you always misinterpret travel speed as combat speed.
Even in bios his speed is listed as enhanced human only. I don't use bios as references but that should tell you how the character is perceived.
No, it wasn't. You just plugged your ears, and refused to listen to anything I said.Assuming I was trying to get the last word in.
You are simply trying to type as many words as you can hoping nobody would try to reply. Sad really.
How about you actually finish reading it, and note that in the last panel after he processed what was happening?
Just like Daredevil. But for that he needed an action. Here surfer doesn't. Gotta wonder why.
In less time than that Silver Surfer "could streak into the fray," and that's precisely what he did.
Yes, travel speed.
You're still not getting the fact that it is a specific timeframe that actually means something.It is not hyperbolic.
Of course it is. You saying "nuh-uh" doesn't means shit kid.
It doesn't matter what the writers think. They have no place within a versus context.
You just lost all credibility kid. You know all this is from the stuff writers write in the comics, right?
There are even rules against using author statments and claims on KMC. Due to the fact writers can in fact be idiots.
GTFO.
You're breaking them as we speak by showing reverence for these things.
Haha, seriously? You gonna cry rules now?
Just take for example the creator of Luther Strode who thinks he has only twice the physical ability of a peak human. Despite dozens of feats proving otherwise.
Then his word is what we go with. He is the one who wrote that.
We're talking about the same Thor who can dodge Mjolnir? The same Thor who is stated to be as fast his own lightning? The same Thor who can act within microseconds?http://i.imgur.com/1MBHzmX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9iw5R85.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RRMLMqo.jpgThor who can block attacks from the Phoenix.
http://i.imgur.com/FS0d5zi.jpg
Mjolnir which can explicity move faster than light even within an atmosphere.
http://i.imgur.com/NQ1sywf.jpg
As I already noted Thor can dodge it.
Yes. We are talking about same Thor. A few high end feats don't make a character's average when he has been explicitly shown slower than Wolverine, daredevil, captain america and Balder to name a few characters.
Sure you have. Now here is evidence that I have literally every one of Iron Fist's appearances.Who here has more clout?
Who gives a shit?
I already posted the thread.
And?
Do you notice how you ignore things you don't like or refuse to acknowledge what a character is capable of based on some predisposition you have?
Nope, never did.
That's Pendaran.
I don't run to mods to invalidate a showing kid.
Yes, you do and you made it clear you think yourself better than the people at CBR. You made an account there to begin with because they were trashing your husbando.Don't pretend you don't have an emotional investment in it when you are so sore about it that you still feel the need to somehow establish your superiority. Which you can't because they banned you.
You should since you made the claim I was trying to defend them in the last thread.
You should recognize that unlike you I haven't let something in the past effect my ability to be objective.
What is it going to take for you to realize I am not going to take an attempt at baiting me, and adding to a spite thread seriously?
This is some serious nonsense. GTFO with this shit.
In this very post you establish that you think combat speed and travel speed are always different. How can you think that, and say that they need to be able to run around as fast as they are able to attack?
Because that's what combat speed is.
I am the center of the universe.After all just like Tendo Souji I walk the path of heaven.
facepalm
Probably report you to the mods for blatant disregard of the rules, and make note of the fact yoy dug up a thread with the specific purpose of getting a particular response from me.
Sure, go ahead.
Yes, it is.Ares was able to recognize that Nate Grey was operating withing that timeframe, and chases after him under his own power.
That is a speed feat.
No, it is not. He existed in all reality including that one where Nate was. That's a very uber showing for a god but not a speed feat.
You are too hung up on incredibly inconsistent showings where characters like the Silver Surfer get beat up by the likes of freaking Spiderman.
Not beat up. Outspeed them, yes. Regularly. Don't like it? Complain to marvel.
Seriously, how can anyone genuinely argue in favor of that with a straight face?
Someone who has actually read all the comics both character have appeared in?
I don't even frequent comicvine anymore. I have less activity there than I do here.
Who gives a shit?
You say this, and then still try to say someone needs to be able to run long distances in similiar speeds for it to be acceptable? You have no internal consistency, and don't adhere to your own standards.You freaking hypocrite.
Haha, you are not able to understand a simple logic like that? Oh you poor kid.
You said it yourself the distance a person can travel, and how quickly they can fight is different.Heck, even in real life this speaks true.
A fine example is the Mantis Shrimp. It is freaking slow but it can punch at the speed of sound.
GTFO with real life logic. Comics don't work on that.
It doesn't matter if you care or not. The facts are on my side, and they are more important than whatever opinion you have.
Cute. Keep living in the dream.
If facts are in your side, you can always show surfer blitzing spider-man, right?
What compelling argument? The only half decent ones were mine in that thread. The rest was just one guy whining, and giving no reason for why I was wrong.
Oh right, you are the one crying PIS, citing rules and invalidating showings because you don't like them and someone else is whining. right.
No, it isn't.We're talking about comic books not real life. This speed is not strange within an incredibly unrealistic fictional medium.
Was this supposed to be an argument?
Did you even read my post? I said they both seemed acceptable to me, and that it made sense in hindsight.I already clarified this.
So black panther is a speedster now, eh?
This is why death of the author is important within a versus context. These comic books writers have some of the worst senses for scale. They do not comprehend what these characters are capable of based on what they have done.
Don't go full TV tropes on me kid. This is not CBR where writer's intent is disregarded because you don't like it.
They just write whatever is cool.As fine example is the fact Batman can hide from nearly anyone for no reason at all. Jesus Christ it has even worked Superman, and that is retarded.
And yet it happens all the time. You don't get to discard it because it doesn't makes sense anymore than Superman flying doesn't makes sense.
Everything counts kid. Everything.
They have only acted within microseconds. Whereas Thor and the Silver Surfer have instances where they clearly needed to be moving faster than light. Which means a shorter timeframe than microseconds.
Haha, FTL Thor is back.
Oh the hilarity.
We are gonna have some real fun here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Blast away. Nobody cares especially me.
Sure you don't.
So, you are just here for trolling? Good to know.
No, that would be you. You specifically derailed a thread. Admitted to doing so on purpose. Then admitted to digging this thread up in order to get a response out of me.
You're the troll.
TV tropes is used for debates now? Seriously?
It was to illustrate a concept you clearly do not understand.
She is able to perceive FTL travelling surfer and Dawn from another time and spot a gap in reality which even Surfer didn't.
You yourself noted that processing ibformation does not count anything but bring able to realize something quickly. I haven't said something like this could be used, and you haven't said something like this could be used.
You are seriously blinded if you think that wasn't some FTL reflexes right there.
No, you are the one who can't comprehend that freaking talking whilst on something that is moving faster than light doesn't mean you can react to things moving faster than light.
You have to interact something else you're flying towards at those ridiculous speeds. Since they're approaching you as fast as you're approaching them.
He has never been fast reflex wise. Faux internet warriors like you always misinterpret travel speed as combat speed.
No, I am.not doing that right now. Heck, you just did that and I corrected you with the Mantis Shrimp example. You have a poor grasp on it yourself.
Even in bios his speed is listed as enhanced human only. I don't use bios as references but that should tell you how the character is perceived.
This same datakbooks try to say Mjolnir is not faster than light when it is explicity is a lot for times. It's also against the rules to use them in lieu of actual evidence.
You are simply trying to type as many words as you can hoping nobody would try to reply. Sad really.
What I did was give you an articulate response that crushed every one of your points. That you didn't even read properly.
Just like Daredevil. But for that he needed an action. Here surfer doesn't. Gotta wonder why.
No, not just Daredevil. Daredevil didn't actually move within the timeframe of a nanosecond. That was processing information not reflexes.
I already debunked this.
Yes, travel speed.
No, the Silver Surfer is recognizing that something is happening and then moves within an even smaller timeframe than that.
Which shows that he can act within that allotted time.
Of course it is. You saying "nuh-uh" doesn't means shit kid.
That is what you're doing, and you're trying to feign maturity on top of that. At least I am honest about being prideful.
You're incapable of being honest about anything.
You just lost all credibility kid. You know all this is from the stuff writers write in the comics, right?
Who have a notoriously incomprehensible sense for scale. That makes no sense whatsoever. If what happens in the comic books blatantly contradicts the writers? What actually happens holds more weight in a versus context.
Not what the writers or creators say because they are not perfect. They are capable of making mistakes.
GTFO.
You're the one breaking the rules, and lacking any objectivity here.
Haha, seriously? You gonna cry rules now?
Since you're obviously not capable of listening to reason, and care not for any of the clearly established guidelines.
Then his word is what we go with. He is the one who wrote that.
Which requires us to ignore mountains of evidence, and everything we see in the entire trilogy. Heck, the story can't even function as we see it by his interpretation.
Yes. We are talking about same Thor. A few high end feats don't make a character's average when he has been explicitly shown slower than Wolverine, daredevil, captain america and Balder to name a few characters.
This appeal to authority would mean taking what Tom Brevoort said seriously as well. Which means transitive properties can't be used, and which means you can't scale from showings against other characters.
The very source you're using prevents you from using your so called evidence.
Who gives a shit?
It details how I have evidence that I actually read these things. Whereas you have none.
And?
You're supposed read it, and see that no convincing counter argument was made?
Nope, never did.
Yes, you have. Several times.
Denial isn't just a five in Egypt it seems.
I don't run to mods to invalidate a showing kid.
Neither do I.
I reported you for breaking the board rules, derailing a topic, and baiting.
This is some serious nonsense. GTFO with this shit.
So, you're not going to address anything I said there and are just going to plug your ears now?
Because that's what combat speed is.
No, combat speed how fast you are in combat. It's your short distance speed. Any kind of travel speed is your long distance speed. How fast you can get from point A to point B.
As illustrated with the Mantis Shrimp. It ain't no sprinter but it got the fastest punch in the world.
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That reference flew completely over your head it seems.
Sure, go ahead.
Already did.
Since my last post, really.
No, it is not. He existed in all reality including that one where Nate was. That's a very uber showing for a god but not a speed feat.
Did you even read it? They were operating within the Planck length between moments. That's a specific timeframe being noted.
Not beat up. Outspeed them, yes. Regularly. Don't like it? Complain to marvel.
Which doesn't make any sense at all, and they're clear cases of those characters jobbing. Due to the fact the need to make the other guy seems as if they are a threat.
Someone who has actually read all the comics both character have appeared in?
Which you haven't? There is practically no one who has actually done something such as that. The only ones who have you can count on one hand.
There is nothing suggesting that you have.
Your attitude, the fact you keep grabbing scans off from other sites, and the fact you look up summaries for issues?
It shows you're lying here.
Who gives a shit?
Apparently you do because you made an attack on my character based on that.
Haha, you are not able to understand a simple logic like that? Oh you poor kid.
No, I understand you're the one who doesn't. The only comparison we have is the one in real life. There is no set in stone example within a fictional media.
You're trying to say your opinion on it so fact because you say so.
GTFO with real life logic. Comics don't work on that.
So, pray tell how do they work? You're using the combat speed and travel speed rhetorics.
They have no definite meaning. The only examples we can use are the ones in real life. Othwerise, you're relying on literal fan-fiction.
"They work this way because I say so."
That's what you're doing. It's incredibly dishonest. It relies on your opinion bring objective fact. Which is not true.
Cute. Keep living in the dream.
No, you're the one who is delusional here. You're the one plugging his ears with wax.
If facts are in your side, you can always show surfer blitzing spider-man, right?
I showed you the Silver Surfer flying circles around someone at faster than light speeds, and attacking them in that time-frame.
I satisfied the burden of proof.
Oh right, you are the one crying PIS, citing rules and invalidating showings because you don't like them and someone else is whining. right.
Don't feign ignorance.
This is something that is prevalent in comic books. You have to deal with this in regards to Superman. Yet, you still apply it anyway with this double standard you have.
Was this supposed to be an argument?
Yes, it was.
I already noted why moving within the timeframe of a microsecond so stupidly fast.
So black panther is a speedster now, eh?
In short distances Black Panther can move very fast, yes. As you yourself have proven with that scan you provided.
Don't go full TV tropes on me kid. This is not CBR where writer's intent is disregarded because you don't like it.
No, it was quite clear that in the last thread? Those play second fiddle when compared to actual feats. The feats are what matters, and it's by understanding them that we can reach a conclusion on how powerful a character is.
And yet it happens all the time. You don't get to discard it because it doesn't makes sense anymore than Superman flying doesn't makes sense.
There is an actual explanation for why Superman can fly. So, that's a very poor example to use. Batman has no excuse. He just does things with no individual feats to suggest he is capable of them.
Such as hiding from Superman.
Everything counts kid. Everything.
Not when it makes positively no sense whatsoever.
Haha, FTL Thor is back.Oh the hilarity.
You have no self awareness whatsoever do you?
Your fixation regarding this borders on a mental illness.
We are gonna have some real fun here.
That's your game isn't it? Just repeating the same points over, and over no matter how many times they are debunked?
Since you can't come up with proper counter argument.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey kid, explain this to me. How was Quicksilver able to evade and become invisible to Captain Marvel moving at lightspeed.That's Classic Mach 1 limit Quicksilver too. Could this be that flying speed doesn't equals combat speed?
*Gasp*
Characters like Thor were called snail compared to him.
Due to the fact it's an explicit ability Quicksilver has. He wasn't moving faster than Captain Marvel. Just somehow moving in a way that allowed him to become invisible. Namely by changing the acceleration of how he moved, and zig zagging
You can still him moving in a straight line, and even normal human beings can see things moving at Mach 1.
This makes no sense whatsoever otherwise. Since in that same position Captain Marvel should be able to see Quicksilver.
If for example when you're on a jet airplane and you fly next to another one. You can see it.
Once again I don't put stock in established limitations especially with feats such as this.
If Captain Marvel can fly at lightspeed it makes no sense for her to not be able to see someone moving at mach 1. How can she even see things, and fly around safely if that's the case?
As things would appear to be approaching her at the same speed she is flying at them.
Originally posted by krisblaze
He builds a moat at superspeed iirc.
Yeah, he did, "almost faster than the eye can see" from what I recall. I'd say that counts that he can run at some degree of super speed, but you said an actual running feat.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor, at the very least, has one superspeed running feat under his belt.
