Thor vs Silver Surfer

Started by abhilegend7 pages
Originally posted by Sharivan
So, you admit that you're disagreeing with me for no reason besides the fact you have an emotional investment in this?

No, because I don't argue comics on real life science. Simple as that kid.

Don't use your personal fantasies, and apply them universally to all comic books. As if you're the law in regards to comic books.

This is no fantasy kid. Simple cold logic.

You just said it wasn't in one of your three long posts, and now you're just saying it's not because of your aforementioned nonsensical principles.

Yes, why not? You are simply posting long posts for last word and I can't return the favor?

Which is being defined by you. Which is the worst thing you can do in debate. You're making the rules for how it works when your opinion holds no more water than mine.

Yes, you play my mine rules. Which are defined by the comics themselves.

Pardon me if I don't go by TV tropes.

So, you're trying to say all writers are in a sort of hive-mind which exists for the sole purpose of agreeing with your interpretation of combat speed and running speed?

No, they are bound by continuity and a general power level of characters.

You're not helping your case by exhibiting your bias once again.

This again?

The many scans I posted which you attempted to handwave by butchering the context.

That's a fine way to say "I posted wrong scans".

I find that hard to believe.

See if I care.

That's not what I did.

Yes, that's what you did.

I provided numerous instances across different times. Not just one or two examples. What you're doing now is attempting to build a false narrative.

Nope, you just combed through respect threads and tried to make a character look better than what they are shown in the comics.

I could do the same with Superman, and you would cry foul. Heck, I could do the same for Darkseid and you would cry foul.

Despite the fact Darkseid has even less instances than either Thor or Silver Surfer.

Darkseid isn't a speedster. Superman is. I would laugh in your face if you are trying to compare Superman's speed to Thor and Surfer.

Go ahead kid, make my day.

Not unless you dishonestly rely solely on fights between characters. When they're hilariously inconsistent in regards to what they're actually capable of.

That's the sole criteria kid.

Just take instances such as Lobo being hurt by normal handguns in Hitman.

Lobo is not bulletproof. He has been blasted through by normal bullets a lot of times. That's just how the character works to show his healing factor.

Comic books are notorious regarding this.

Why don't you write your own comics which are consistent then? Why argue about inconsistent comics?

It's better than using subjective opinions, arbitrary standards as determined by you and only you, and acting as if your word is law.

Of course. My word is law as long as it is supported by comics. Which is always.

Which is what you're doing right now.

And I'm right. That's it.

It doesn't matter.

Of course it is. When Surfer or Thor show speed as a speedster, do let me know.

There is a universal standard for debate that puts a focus on objectivity over subjectivity. The truth should be what matters, and that relies on constructive analysis.

Which you are incapable of doing. Only what you think is correct, source material be damned because they are inconsistent and only you are inconsistent.

I will take comics over your logic any day of the week.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I did. Are you gonna report me kid?

I already did, and that was in reference to you saying you don't use bios when you used something exactly like that in the previous page.

You are a pathological liar.

Yes, *** for Tat as they say.

No, this is backwards. You're the one acting as if you're an overgrown manchild.

Of course. How else can you be taught manners here?

Are you freaking serious? I am not going to respect someone who clearly doesn't respect anyone but himself.

Should I post SBP "You did it to me" meme here? From TV tropes?

How would that even make sense as a retort for what I just said there? Have you been following this conversation at all?

So why don't you write another long post accusing me of mental illness and whatnot.

You're doing yourself no favors by acting exactly in the way that I am saying you are acting. You're giving out more material for me to use against you as we speak.

What you have done so far is worse than any of my long posts. Your long posts have nothing of substance in them.

And report me for posting a long post. That always works.

I reported you for disregarding the rules of the board, derailing a topic, and baiting me.

I didn't report you for your keyboard vomit.

Of course, I can only read nonsense so much.

So, you're admitting to the fact that you're not even bothering to listen to my arguments and are just ignoring them now?

Is that your catchphrase?

How can that even be construed as a catch phrase?

I couldn't care less what you think about me kid.

I never do.

Yet, a day after this argument you decided to regurgitate three long posts in a row. In order to force me to respect you.

Thou doth protest too much.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because I don't argue comics on real life science. Simple as that kid.

You know that every time you call me boy or kid you sound like a slave plantation owner? You just need a whip, a cotton field, and some slaves.

You would fit in perfectly there.

This is no fantasy kid. Simple cold logic.

It is your fantasy abhilegend, and it's not cold hard logic. That's what I have been using.

What you have spouted with your keyboard vomit are the ramblings of a psychopathic manchild.

Yes, why not? You are simply posting long posts for last word and I can't return the favor?

Care to actually prove those posts held no substance, and were about me trying to get the last word in? Instead of the rebuttals that they were?

Oh, that's right.

You can't, and simply respond with meaningless keyboard vomit.

Yes, you play my mine rules. Which are defined by the comics themselves.

No, I will not play by your rules. These concepts are not defined by the comic books themselves. The concepts of combat speed, and travel speed were invented by people arguing within a versus context.

We invented them.

Comic book writers couldn't care less about this.

Pardon me if I don't go by TV tropes.

Straw man.

I provided one link so I could illustrate a concept for you that you clearly do not understand.

After you tried to stupidly apply speech into this. When that requires them to actually be moving in relation to something. Which they're not.

Which is the biggest difference between that, and attacking something or someone at those break neck speeds. As they fly right next to or around them.

No, they are bound by continuity and a general power level of characters.

The latter of which you're basing entirely on your subjective opinion, and heavy bias against these characters.

What I have posted so far is within canon so I don't see why you're bringing up continuity now.

This again?

As it's extremely prevalent that you're incapable of being objective. As noted by myself and others.

That's a fine way to say "I posted wrong scans".

Uh no, you're the the one who posts scans and then butchers their context.

See if I care.

That retort doesn't even make sense.

Along with most of your other retorts.

Yes, that's what you did.

No, that is not what I did.

Which is clear for anyone who is actually reading my posts.

You're not.

Nope, you just combed through respect threads and tried to make a character look better than what they are shown in the comics.

You are the person who has done this. The difference being that instead of trying to make them look better. You look for any instance of garbage writing you can find and dry hump it to death.

Darkseid isn't a speedster. Superman is. I would laugh in your face if you are trying to compare Superman's speed to Thor and Surfer.

We have been talking combat speed for the last couple of pages but I am not surprised that you're using yet another straw man. I don't care about the topic of your spite thread made a year ago.

Since it should have been locked since then.

Go ahead kid, make my day.

Once again you're proving my point that you have an emotional investment in this. You are so traumatized by years of Superman vs Thor and Superman vs Silver Surfer that this has become a obsession for you.

Your first response to what was said there is bringing up Superman in comparison to them. When I said no such thing in that part of my post.

That's the sole criteria kid.

No, it isn't and by your own stance regarding writers and editors it is exempt because Tom Brevoort believes transitive properties such as that don't apply.

Instead that individual feats such as destroying a mountain or outrunning a bullet do.

Lobo is not bulletproof. He has been blasted through by normal bullets a lot of times. That's just how the character works to show his healing factor.

You claim to be a Superman reader but conveniently forget all the times where Lobo survives being beat on by him? The time he was punched into earth's orbit for example?

If Lobo wasn't superhumanly durable his own strength would constantly destroy his own body, and every one of Superman's punches would always splatter him.

Yet, they don't always do this.

Why don't you write your own comics which are consistent then? Why argue about inconsistent comics?

Why do you argue or debate about them? It's because I like comic books plain and simple but I do not ignore their many faults such as you do.

Of course. My word is law as long as it is supported by comics. Which is always.

It's not supported by the comic books which are incredibly inconsistent. It's not supported the writers who don't care about this. It's not supported by the editor who thinks it's a poor way to judge a character's abilities.

And I'm right. That's it.

No, this would be you plugging your ears with wax and whining.

"I-I-I-I am always right my momma said so."

That's how you sound right now. Down to the stutter.

Of course it is. When Surfer or Thor show speed as a speedster, do let me know.

We were talking about combat speed to begin with not their running speed. I don't care about the topic of this thread. It shouldn't have been taken seriously by anyone to begin with.

Since it was a spite thread, and you annually use it as bait in order to assuage your own frail ego.

[QUOTR]Which you are incapable of doing. Only what you think is correct, source material be damned because they are inconsistent and only you are inconsistent.[/QUOTE]

Pray tell in what way am I inconsistent? I acknowedlge these things across the board for every character. I don't play favorites or try to bash on other characters. I give them their due.

Just take the fact I acknowledged that Black Panther had a microsecond feat. Since he actually moved in that timeframe. Just Daniel Rand has one.

Just like Superman has nanosecond and femtosecond feats that I would use in an argument.

I will take comics over your logic any day of the week.

Those same comic books agree with me just as much as they agree with you. There are numerous instances on both sides. I provided them, and you had the nerve to mutilate their context.

Originally posted by Sharivan
You know that every time you call me boy or kid you sound like a slave plantation owner? You just need a whip, a cotton field, and some slaves.

You would fit in perfectly there.

Abhi is neither white nor even American so..... that's just weird.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Abhi is neither white nor even American so..... that's just weird.

As if you need to be American or white.

You underestimate the power of the dark side of the force.

Originally posted by Sharivan
As if you need to be American or white.

You underestimate the power of the dark side of the force.

You're justifying that stupid insult? 😆

Originally posted by Delta1938
You're justifying that stupid insult? 😆

How is it stupid?

He sounds just like a slave plantation owner whenever he acts that way. The bloated sense of self-importance, and derogatory way he treats others despite having no maturity himself.

Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners.

Originally posted by Sharivan
How is it stupid?

He sounds just like a slave plantation owner whenever he acts that way. The bloated sense of self-importance, and derogatory way he treats others despite having no maturity himself.

Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners.

It's stupid because you're trying to pull racism into something where there is none.

And now you're trying to defend that stupidity with a strawman.

You're just grasping at straws with both.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I already did, and that was in reference to you saying you don't use bios when you used something exactly like that in the previous page.

You are a pathological liar.

No, this is backwards. You're the one acting as if you're an overgrown manchild.

Are you freaking serious? I am not going to respect someone who clearly doesn't respect anyone but himself.

How would that even make sense as a retort for what I just said there? Have you been following this conversation at all?

You're doing yourself no favors by acting exactly in the way that I am saying you are acting. You're giving out more material for me to use against you as we speak.

What you have done so far is worse than any of my long posts. Your long posts have nothing of substance in them.

I reported you for disregarding the rules of the board, derailing a topic, and baiting me.

I didn't report you for your keyboard vomit.

So, you're admitting to the fact that you're not even bothering to listen to my arguments and are just ignoring them now?

How can that even be construed as a catch phrase?

Yet, a day after this argument you decided to regurgitate three long posts in a row. In order to force me to respect you.

Thou doth protest too much.

You know that every time you call me boy or kid you sound like a slave plantation owner? You just need a whip, a cotton field, and some slaves.

You would fit in perfectly there.

It is your fantasy abhilegend, and it's not cold hard logic. That's what I have been using.

What you have spouted with your keyboard vomit are the ramblings of a psychopathic manchild.

Care to actually prove those posts held no substance, and were about me trying to get the last word in? Instead of the rebuttals that they were?

Oh, that's right.

You can't, and simply respond with meaningless keyboard vomit.

No, I will not play by your rules. These concepts are not defined by the comic books themselves. The concepts of combat speed, and travel speed were invented by people arguing within a versus context.

We invented them.

Comic book writers couldn't care less about this.

Straw man.

I provided one link so I could illustrate a concept for you that you clearly do not understand.

After you tried to stupidly apply speech into this. When that requires them to actually be moving in relation to something. Which they're not.

Which is the biggest difference between that, and attacking something or someone at those break neck speeds. As they fly right next to or around them.

The latter of which you're basing entirely on your subjective opinion, and heavy bias against these characters.

What I have posted so far is within canon so I don't see why you're bringing up continuity now.

As it's extremely prevalent that you're incapable of being objective. As noted by myself and others.

Uh no, you're the the one who posts scans and then butchers their context.

That retort doesn't even make sense.

Along with most of your other retorts.

No, that is not what I did.

Which is clear for anyone who is actually reading my posts.

You're not.

You are the person who has done this. The difference being that instead of trying to make them look better. You look for any instance of garbage writing you can find and dry hump it to death.

We have been talking combat speed for the last couple of pages but I am not surprised that you're using yet another straw man. I don't care about the topic of your spite thread made a year ago.

Since it should have been locked since then.

Once again you're proving my point that you have an emotional investment in this. You are so traumatized by years of Superman vs Thor and Superman vs Silver Surfer that this has become a obsession for you.

Your first response to what was said there is bringing up Superman in comparison to them. When I said no such thing in that part of my post.

No, it isn't and by your own stance regarding writers and editors it is exempt because Tom Brevoort believes transitive properties such as that don't apply.

Instead that individual feats such as destroying a mountain or outrunning a bullet do.

You claim to be a Superman reader but conveniently forget all the times where Lobo survives being beat on by him? The time he was punched into earth's orbit for example?

If Lobo wasn't superhumanly durable his own strength would constantly destroy his own body, and every one of Superman's punches would always splatter him.

Yet, they don't always do this.

Why do you argue or debate about them? It's because I like comic books plain and simple but I do not ignore their many faults such as you do.

It's not supported by the comic books which are incredibly inconsistent. It's not supported the writers who don't care about this. It's not supported by the editor who thinks it's a poor way to judge a character's abilities.

No, this would be you plugging your ears with wax and whining.

"I-I-I-I am always right my momma said so."

That's how you sound right now. Down to the stutter.

We were talking about combat speed to begin with not their running speed. I don't care about the topic of this thread. It shouldn't have been taken seriously by anyone to begin with.

Since it was a spite thread, and you annually use it as bait in order to assuage your own frail ego.

Which you are incapable of doing. Only what you think is correct, source material be damned because they are inconsistent and only you are inconsistent.

Pray tell in what way am I inconsistent? I acknowledge these things across the board for every character. I don't play favorites or try to bash on other characters. I give them their due.

Just take the fact I acknowledged that Black Panther had a microsecond feat. Since he actually moved in that timeframe. Just Daniel Rand has one.

Just like Superman has nanosecond and femtosecond feats that I would use in an argument.

Those same comic books agree with me just as much as they agree with you. There are numerous instances on both sides. I provided them, and you had the nerve to mutilate their context.

Fixing yet more typos.

Someone needs to remove the fifteen minute limit on edits or something.

Originally posted by Delta1938 [B]It's stupid because you're trying to pull racism into something where there is none.

It was an insult that I made in order to illustrate how much of an ignorant hick he was sounding like. I wasn't trying to call him racist.

Do you even have a sense of humor?

And now you're trying to defend that stupidity with a strawman.

That wasn't a straw man that was me making a joke. Do I have to explain in triplicate for you?

You're just grasping at straws with both.

I was using that comparison solely for the purpose of comedy. Are you so thick that you can't notice blatant sarcasm?

Originally posted by Sharivan

It was an insult that I made in order to illustrate how much of an ignorant hick he was sounding like. I wasn't trying to call him racist.

Do you even have a sense of humor?

That wasn't a straw man that was me making a joke. Do I have to explain in triplicate for you?

I was using that comparison solely for the purpose of comedy. Are you so thick that you can't notice blatant sarcasm?

If you're so bothered by typos, just PM a mod for help.

It wasn't funny. It was stupid. And now you're backtracking. Don't call others thick when you're trying to play off your insults as "comedy," Mr. Pot.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If you're so bothered by typos, just PM a mod for help.

It wasn't funny. It was stupid. And now you're backtracking. Don't call others thick when you're trying to play off your insults as "comedy," Mr. Pot.

Iyo not mine. Quit focusing on a joke according to you is bad taste as this will derail the thread. Lighten up this is a board people come to argue fictional characters.

Originally posted by Delta1938 If you're so bothered by typos, just PM a mod for help.

I already asked them.

They're not around a lot, and haven't responded much.

It wasn't funny. It was stupid.

Yes, it was.

It's not my fault you can't read sarcasm.

And now you're backtracking.

No, I am not.

You're trying to say I was straw manning when I was making an obvious joke.

How in the world does "Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners" sound remotely serious?

Don't call others thick when you're trying to play off your insults as "comedy," Mr. Pot.

They were.

Abhilegend was derogatorily using "boy" and "kid" in a debate about fictional characters. Making himself sound the part of an ignorant hick from a bygone era. When we're both nerds fixating on a pointless hobby.

The difference is I am able to laugh at it and myself.

Whereas he has a stick up his behind the size of Rhode Island.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't.

You can read, I assume.


😬

Using a disclaimer just before using that bio doesn't excuse u for being a hippopotamus.

What planet are u from?

Originally posted by Sharivan
I already asked them.

They're not around a lot, and haven't responded much.

Yes, it was.

It's not my fault you can't read sarcasm.

No, I am not.

You're trying to say I was straw manning when I was making an obvious joke.

How in the world does "Now you're just being racist by trying to say people who are not white can't be slave plantation owners" sound remotely serious?

They were.

Abhilegend was derogatorily using "boy" and "kid" in a debate about fictional characters. Making himself sound the part of an ignorant hick from a bygone era. When we're both nerds fixating on a pointless hobby.

The difference is I am able to laugh at it and myself.

Whereas he has a stick up his behind the size of Rhode Island.

Sucks for you then.

No, it wasn't funny to begin with. And you calling me thick because I'm not buying your using it as a shield for criticism after this?

Originally posted by ghostman
nanoseconds>microseconds
Originally posted by Delta1938
Wrong. Microseconds are bigger. 😛

Originally posted by Sharivan
Dude, he was referring to speed.

In that case reacting in nanoseconds is more impressive because it's a smaller timeframe.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I guess the 😛 emoticon wasn't enough of an indicator I was ****ing with him. 😬
Originally posted by Sharivan
I have seen people use it unironically before. You never know with the internet.

You have no right to accuse others of failing to see sarcasm, or calling others hypocrites.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Sucks for you then.

No, you're the one who is being purposely obtuse in regards to something that is obvious.

No, it wasn't funny to begin with.

Yes, it was because the imagery behind that is hilarious.

Not my fault you have garbage taste in humor.

And you calling me thick because I'm not buying your using it as a shield for criticism after this?

Poisoning the well, and an attempt at an ad hominem. As I already explained I have seen people use that emoticon unironically before. Along with using the thumbs up emoticon ironically.

Just take every time abhilegend disagrees with someone whilst giving them a thumbs up.

It has a lot of uses.

The only reason I said that was in order to make sure what you meant exactly.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We know.
Originally posted by Sharivan
Just making sure.

As seen here.

Which you dishonestly cut out of the conversation. I didn't try to dig into you beyond that, try to say you were attempting to backpeddle or save face.

Which is what you're doing right now. Despite the fact it was far more clear that I was being sarcastic. In what way was how I worded what I said there unironic?

Are you the kind of person who would claim someone is being serious when they say "Cory in the House is the best anime."

I would assume you have some intelligence, and would recognize ridiculous statements for what they were.

I guess I was wrong.

You have no right to accuse others of failing to see sarcasm, or calling others hypocrites.

That wasn't sarcasm. That was a straw man you made in good humor. You misinterpreted what that guy meant as a joke.

Nor does it justify you doing the same thing, and on purpose at that. That, on top of the fact you're being anal about this. When I wasn't in regards to what you said.

I didn't even insult you or accuse you of trying to claim someone was seriously racist.

The worst thing I did was call you "dude."

I in no way overreacted in the way you are doing right now.

Originally posted by Sharivan
No, you're the one who is being purposely obtuse in regards to something that is obvious.

Yes, it was because the imagery behind that is hilarious.

Not my fault you have garbage taste in humor.

Poisoning the well, and an attempt at an ad hominem. As I already explained I have seen people use that emoticon unironically before. Along with using the thumbs up emoticon ironically.

Just take every time abhilegend disagrees with someone whilst giving them a thumbs up.

It has a lot of uses.

The only reason I said that was in order to make sure what you meant exactly.

As seen here.

Which you dishonestly cut out of the conversation. I didn't try to dig into you beyond that, try to say you were attempting to backpeddle or save face.

Which is what you're doing right now. Despite the fact it was far more clear that I was being sarcastic. In what way was how I worded what I said there unironic?

Are you the kind of person who would claim someone is being serious when they say "Cory in the House is the best anime."

I would assume you have some intelligence, and would recognize ridiculous statements for what they were.

I guess I was wrong.

That wasn't sarcasm. That was a straw man you made in good humor. You misinterpreted what that guy meant as a joke.

Nor does it justify you doing the same thing, and on purpose at that. That, on top of the fact you're being anal about this. When I wasn't in regards to what you said.

I didn't even insult you or accuse you of trying to claim someone was seriously racist.

The worst thing I did was call you "dude."

I in no way overreacted in the way you are doing right now.

I'm being obtuse for saying sucks for you you're bothered by typos this much and can't do a lot about it?

It's not my "garbage taste in humor." It's stupid, and that's that.

Thank you for proving to be a massive hypocrite with all your attempts to justify.

And how did I dishonestly cut anything out? It was irrelevant to my point. If you actually were "just making sure" you should've said something, or asked, in the first place.

Originally posted by Delta1938 ]I'm being obtuse for saying sucks for you you're bothered by typos this much and can't do a lot about it?

You didn't reply to each of my points individually, and I thought you were referring to how I insulted abhilegend.

You didn't specify at all there.

It's not my "garbage taste in humor." It's stupid, and that's that.

You're being a brick wall about an obvious sarcastic remark despite the fact you know better.

Thank you for proving to be a massive hypocrite with all your attempts to justify.

How did I prove I was a hypocrite? I showed you that I wasn't digging into you in that case, and let it go once you clarified what you meant.

Whereas you are trying to say I was completely serious, and that nothing I said in regards to my insults or jokes were sarcastic.

And how did I dishonestly cut anything out?

You're omitting the fact that I didn't overreact, that I let it go once you clarified what you meant, and the only reason I did so in the first place was because your joke wasn't funny either.

It was irrelevant to my point.

Which is what? That I listen to people when they clarify what they mean, and I don't make a big deal out of it afterwards?

Good job.

You proved that I am a more reasonable debator than you are.

If you actually were "just making sure" you should've said something, or asked, in the first place.

That's exactly what I did with my initial statement, and I waited to see what your response was before making my final judgment on it.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Where is the scan of Silver Surfer moving his limbs fast like Superman or Flash?

It's called extrapolation. You can extrapolate on what a character could be capable of based on their other feats. Surfer is a cosmic swiss army knife and thus doesn't always utilized his speed.

Silver Surfer DOES not move his limbs fast like Flash or Superman as a matter or fact He has trouble trying to tag Spiderman.

Spider-Man is like the Batman of Marvel though, in that everybody jobs to him. How else do you explain how he's survived fights against the beings he has?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
😬

Using a disclaimer just before using that bio doesn't excuse u for being a hippopotamus.

What planet are u from?

😂

I like this celeyhyga17 guy.

He sounds like good people.

Does Surfer even have any showings of foot speed?

Thor ran across the eastern US in like 20 or 30 seconds, while that clearly doesn't make him Marvel's Wally West, it's more than Surfer has shown.