Thor vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Sharivan
You didn't reply to each of my points individually, and I thought you were referring to how I insulted abhilegend.

You didn't specify at all there.

You're being a brick wall about an obvious sarcastic remark despite the fact you know better.

How did I prove I was a hypocrite? I showed you that I wasn't digging into you in that case, and let it go once you clarified what you meant.

Whereas you are trying to say I was completely serious, and that nothing I said in regards to my insults or jokes were sarcastic.

You're omitting the fact that I didn't overreact, that I let it go once you clarified what you meant, and the only reason I did so in the first place was because your joke wasn't funny either.

Which is what? That I listen to people when they clarify what they mean, and I don't make a big deal out of it afterwards?

Good job.

You proved that I am a more reasonable debator than you are.

That's exactly what I did with my initial statement, and I waited to see what your response was before making my final judgment on it.

Actually, the question was giving you more than you deserved, because my "tough for you" was literally at the top like your statement about not getting help from the mods was for you. But of course you're sure to be a hypocrite here too. And I don't have to quote each individually to reply. You're not worth the effort.

I'm "being a brick wall" because you said something stupid, and are defending it. Which is also stupid.

You proved you're a hypocrite by defending your completely missing my sarcasm and then accusing others of missing sarcasm, calling them thick. That's idiotic, dishonest and a total ***** move. The fact that you're continuing to defend this proves everything I've said.

Where did I say you overreacted again?

😆 Boy are you thick to believe this.

Yes, because you didn't ask in the first place or go, "Not sure if you're serious or not." And you "let it go." vin Concessions accepted on you're the thick, dishonest poster you accuse me of being, hypocrite.

Originally posted by Sharivan
[B]I already did, and that was in reference to you saying you don't use bios when you used something exactly like that in the previous page.

I don't use bios. That was just to show you how bios show surfer in speed.

You are a pathological liar.

Are you simply here for flaming and trolling? If you want to get into flame war, come to herochat. I'll let you know what a true flame war is.

No, this is backwards. You're the one acting as if you're an overgrown manchild.

You are the one who is calling me mentally ill and now apparently a slave owner and "I'm acting like an overgrown manchild."?

Are you seriously this dense?

Are you freaking serious? I am not going to respect someone who clearly doesn't respect anyone but himself.

I don't give a shit about what you think about me boy. Keep your respect to yourself.

How would that even make sense as a retort for what I just said there? Have you been following this conversation at all?

Yes, are you sure you can read? At all?

You're doing yourself no favors by acting exactly in the way that I am saying you are acting. You're giving out more material for me to use against you as we speak.

You are using that as a stock catchphrase since you started here kid. Nobody cares what you think you have.

What you have done so far is worse than any of my long posts. Your long posts have nothing of substance in them.

Who gives a shit?

I reported you for disregarding the rules of the board, derailing a topic, and baiting me.

I haven't reported you yet for bashing me in every post you make. This is the last time I'm doing so.

I didn't report you for your keyboard vomit.

If you can't follow a civil discussion, get out of this thread.

So, you're admitting to the fact that you're not even bothering to listen to my arguments and are just ignoring them now?

No, I am listening. Just that they are all nonsense. That's how I know. By reading your arguments.

How can that even be construed as a catch phrase?

You are quite fond of using that.

Yet, a day after this argument you decided to regurgitate three long posts in a row. In order to force me to respect you.

Noody is forcing anything on you kid. You are trying to get the last word by posting long posts.

I'm just returning the favor. By interest.

Thou doth protest too much.

Thou art just dense.

You know that every time you call me boy or kid you sound like a slave plantation owner? You just need a whip, a cotton field, and some slaves.

😬

And that's enough bashing. You are too emotionally invested in this it seems.

I call you a kid or boy because you are acting like a 5 year old petulant child.

You would fit in perfectly there.

Shut up already with your nonsense.

It is your fantasy abhilegend, and it's not cold hard logic. That's what I have been using.

You have used quite a time bitching about that. Yet, I see nothing but nonsense in evry post. Where are your proofs?

What you have spouted with your keyboard vomit are the ramblings of a psychopathic manchild.

Again with the bashing? Are you just trying to get a rise from me when you can't prove anything you said?

Care to actually prove those posts held no substance, and were about me trying to get the last word in? Instead of the rebuttals that they were?

Of course. What kind of scan do you require?

Oh, that's right.

You can't, and simply respond with meaningless keyboard vomit.

Some internet warrior you are.

No, I will not play by your rules.

If you are engaging with me, you have no other choice.

These concepts are not defined by the comic books themselves. The concepts of combat speed, and travel speed were invented by people arguing within a versus context.

No, these are defined by the comics themselves. You and me don't matter in this context. Versus boards don't matter either.

We invented them.

No, you didn't.

Comic book writers couldn't care less about this.

Of course they do. That's why Flash is calle the fastest man alive. You didn't created that phrase.

Straw man.

How amusing.

I provided one link so I could illustrate a concept for you that you clearly do not understand.

Of course I do. Do you?

After you tried to stupidly apply speech into this. When that requires them to actually be moving in relation to something. Which they're not.

Pardon me, I don't give a shit about WHAT you think is necessary for speed. TV tropes logic don't work here boy.

Which is the biggest difference between that, and attacking something or someone at those break neck speeds. As they fly right next to or around them.

That's not combat speed anymore than a pilot using complex maneuvers on his plane at more than mach speed has faster than sound reflexes.

Think it through. Or don't. Nobody cares.

The latter of which you're basing entirely on your subjective opinion, and heavy bias against these characters.

Nope. I'm just using what's in the comics. You clearly don't. You are using your own logic despite what the comics are telling us because "comics are inconsistent and only you can decide what's right and what's not."

What I have posted so far is within canon so I don't see why you're bringing up continuity now.

You are posting outliers as averages of the characters. Pick a random 100 comics of Thor or Surfer and point out how many times they use superspeed in a fight.

You will know why I don't call them a speedster.

As it's extremely prevalent that you're incapable of being objective. As noted by myself and others.

And why should I care about whatever you and others think?

Uh no, you're the the one who posts scans and then butchers their context.

Excellent logic. Mind telling me where that happened?

That retort doesn't even make sense.

For that you will need a functioning brain.

Along with most of your other retorts.

Excellent logic again.

No, that is not what I did.

Of course you did.

Which is clear for anyone who is actually reading my posts.

Popular fallacy again? Tsk, Tsk.

You're not.

Of course I am. You are using "vomit" a lot for some reason.

You are the person who has done this. The difference being that instead of trying to make them look better. You look for any instance of garbage writing you can find and dry hump it to death.

Yes, anything you don't like is garbage writing. Excellent logic again.

We have been talking combat speed for the last couple of pages but I am not surprised that you're using yet another straw man. I don't care about the topic of your spite thread made a year ago.

The what are you doing here? Get out of here.

Since it should have been locked since then.

Why? Neither Thor nor Surfer can stomp either here. I'm not pitting Flash against them here.

Once again you're proving my point that you have an emotional investment in this. You are so traumatized by years of Superman vs Thor and Superman vs Silver Surfer that this has become a obsession for you.

Here comes the irony. Just a few days of arguing and you have called me everything from a psychopath to a slave owner and I'm emotionally invested in this?

Kid, you are a piece of work.

Your first response to what was said there is bringing up Superman in comparison to them. When I said no such thing in that part of my post.

Of course you did. Your entire argument is "How dare you, a superman fanboy question the speed of Thor and SIlver surfer.'

No, it isn't and by your own stance regarding writers and editors it is exempt because Tom Brevoort believes transitive properties such as that don't apply.

I only care about what's in the comics. Let me see what comics Breevort wrote those words in.

Instead that individual feats such as destroying a mountain or outrunning a bullet do.

No, that isn't. You can destroy a planet and if someone comes along and break your arms and leave you broken, they are stronger than you. You can outrun a bullet and then someone comes and outruns you, they are faster than you.

Even if they don't destroy a planet or outrun a bullet.

You claim to be a Superman reader but conveniently forget all the times where Lobo survives being beat on by him? The time he was punched into earth's orbit for example?

And yet he gets shot by bullets. Are these supposed to be contradictory?

You must be from the camp where it is demeaning to get shot by bullets?

Here you go, Lobo gets shot in a comic where he gets beat on by Superman too.

If Lobo wasn't superhumanly durable his own strength would constantly destroy his own body, and every one of Superman's punches would always splatter him.

Tell that to the comic writers. Your logic is again based on real life science and hence worthless.

You don't get to dictate what should and shouldn't happen in the comics.

Yet, they don't always do this.

Majority of the times they do. That's what matters.

Why do you argue or debate about them? It's because I like comic books plain and simple but I do not ignore their many faults such as you do.

I don't ignore anything in the comics. You don't like comics, you like feats.

If you liked comics you will not try to find flaws within a fantasy genre which by its nature is nonsensical.

These characters don't exist kid.

It's not supported by the comic books which are incredibly inconsistent.

They are more consistent than you think.

It's not supported the writers who don't care about this. It's not supported by the editor who thinks it's a poor way to judge a character's abilities.

Of course that's rubbish. You think only you know about these characters and only versus forums can see what the characters are capable of?

GTFO with this shit.

No, this would be you plugging your ears with wax and whining.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

"I-I-I-I am always right my momma said so."

No, I'm always right because I am arguin comic book logic.

That's how you sound right now. Down to the stutter.

How amusing.

We were talking about combat speed to begin with not their running speed. I don't care about the topic of this thread. It shouldn't have been taken seriously by anyone to begin with.

Running speed IS combat speed. You can't be faster than light in reflexes and unable to run at even Mach 1.

But as you are not interested in thread topic, how about you get out of it?

Since it was a spite thread, and you annually use it as bait in order to assuage your own frail ego.

Whine some more. See if anyone cares.

Pray tell in what way am I inconsistent? I acknowedlge these things across the board for every character. I don't play favorites or try to bash on other characters. I give them their due.

You are inconsistent in everything. First you want to apply real life science in comics and then you also use comic book logic where its convenient. Stick to one logic.

Just take the fact I acknowledged that Black Panther had a microsecond feat. Since he actually moved in that timeframe. Just Daniel Rand has one.

But Daredevil's nanosecond feat is discarded because he didn't oved in it. Yet Surfer's mental processing feat is a speed feat.

Desaad's nanosecond feat isn't even acknowledged. How about Iron Man's picosecond feat?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg

Just like Superman has nanosecond and femtosecond feats that I would use in an argument.

Would you?

Those same comic books agree with me just as much as they agree with you. There are numerous instances on both sides. I provided them, and you had the nerve to mutilate their context. [/B]

No, they don't. Simple as that.

You are basically whining why comics don't play by your rules. That's not how debating works kid.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's called extrapolation. You can extrapolate on what a character could be capable of based on their other feats. Surfer is a cosmic swiss army knife and thus doesn't always utilized his speed.

If you have to extrapolate his speed after 50 years of publication, he does not has superspeed.

Do you have to extrapolate Flash's speed?

Spider-Man is like the Batman of Marvel though, in that everybody jobs to him. How else do you explain how he's survived fights against the beings he has?

Because he is that tough.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
😬

Using a disclaimer just before using that bio doesn't excuse u for being a hippopotamus.

What planet are u from?

Are you sure you can comprehend something?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually, the question was giving you more than you deserved, because my "tough for you" was literally at the top like your statement about not getting help from the mods was for you.

That's not reason enough for me to assume you were referring to that when you said that.

It didn't give me anything at all. When what you were talking about in that entire post, for the vast majority of it, was how I insulted abhilegend.

But of course you're sure to be a hypocrite here too. And I don't have to quote each individually to reply. You're not worth the effort.

Yet, I am more than capable of giving you this courtesy but apparently you're so lazy you can't be bothered to specify what you're even talking about.

In a post that largely talks about something entirely different.

I'm "being a brick wall" because you said something stupid, and are defending it. Which is also stupid.

I insulted abhilegend, and then you said it was weird despite the fact he does sound exactly like an ignorant hick whenever he says "boy."

That comparison was hilarious, and I added to that with a nice sarcastic post. It even had a huge satirical image in it. That you could not have possibly missed unless you were blind.

You proved you're a hypocrite by defending your completely missing my sarcasm

It wasn't sarcasm. It was a non-malicious example of a straw man. The point is that I didn't make a big deal out of it.

You on the other hand are, and have been so fixated on this that you decided to restart this argument many hours later.

and then accusing others of missing sarcasm,

You're not just missing my sarcasm here. You're pretending that it's not even there when you know that it is. When it clearly was, and was clarified as such by yours truly.

Calling them thick.

You are thick, and I don't need any more evidence than the fact you decided to restart this argument over something you already got an answer for.

That's idiotic, dishonest and a total ***** move.

What you're doing right now is pathetic, reaching for something that isn't even there, and borders on a pathology.

The fact that you're continuing to defend this proves everything I've said.

I am not who is fixated on something that was obviously sarcasm, and was clarified to be sarcasm.

Where did I say you overreacted again?

I never claimed that you did. I was saying that you were overeating, and that unlike you I let it go once you clarified what you meant.

Apparently you're not capable of showing me the same courtesy.

Which makes this far worse than what I did. Which was harmless, and not at all malicious or willfully ignorant.

😆 Boy are you thick to believe this.

I am thick to believe what?

This is objective fact. You are overreacting despite knowing that you're wrong, and being proven wrong by the person you are claiming the intent for.

The only way this works is if you are actually me, and can say without a shadow of a doubt what my intent was.

Yes, because you didn't ask in the first place or go, "Not sure if you're serious or not."

I didn't need to ask you. I clarified what he actually meant, and then waited for your response before making my final judgment. Clarifying that I was "just making sure" before you even responded to me.

And you "let it go." vin Concessions accepted on you're the thick, dishonest poster you accuse me of being, hypocrite.

That's not what I was even conceding, and you know that. This is just giving me more to use against you in the future. As I now have evidence that you don't care about what a person is actually saying or what their obvious intent is, and are willing to drag out a discussion on it for an entire freaking day.

Just to assuage your ego because you can't handle being wrong about anything.

Originally posted by Sharivan
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Just to assuage your ego because you can't handle being wrong about anything.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't use bios. That was just to show you how bios show surfer in speed.

Are you simply here for flaming and trolling? If you want to get into flame war, come to herochat. I'll let you know what a true flame war is.

You are the one who is calling me mentally ill and now apparently a slave owner and "I'm acting like an overgrown manchild."?

Are you seriously this dense?

I don't give a shit about what you think about me boy. Keep your respect to yourself.

Yes, are you sure you can read? At all?

You are using that as a stock catchphrase since you started here kid. Nobody cares what you think you have.

Who gives a shit?

I haven't reported you yet for bashing me in every post you make. This is the last time I'm doing so.

If you can't follow a civil discussion, get out of this thread.

No, I am listening. Just that they are all nonsense. That's how I know. By reading your arguments.

You are quite fond of using that.

Noody is forcing anything on you kid. You are trying to get the last word by posting long posts.

I'm just returning the favor. By interest.

Thou art just dense.

😬

And that's enough bashing. You are too emotionally invested in this it seems.

I call you a kid or boy because you are acting like a 5 year old petulant child.

Shut up already with your nonsense.

You have used quite a time bitching about that. Yet, I see nothing but nonsense in evry post. Where are your proofs?

Again with the bashing? Are you just trying to get a rise from me when you can't prove anything you said?

Of course. What kind of scan do you require?

Some internet warrior you are.

If you are engaging with me, you have no other choice.

No, these are defined by the comics themselves. You and me don't matter in this context. Versus boards don't matter either.

No, you didn't.

Of course they do. That's why Flash is calle the fastest man alive. You didn't created that phrase.

How amusing.

Of course I do. Do you?

Pardon me, I don't give a shit about WHAT you think is necessary for speed. TV tropes logic don't work here boy.

That's not combat speed anymore than a pilot using complex maneuvers on his plane at more than mach speed has faster than sound reflexes.

Think it through. Or don't. Nobody cares.

Nope. I'm just using what's in the comics. You clearly don't. You are using your own logic despite what the comics are telling us because "comics are inconsistent and only you can decide what's right and what's not."

You are posting outliers as averages of the characters. Pick a random 100 comics of Thor or Surfer and point out how many times they use superspeed in a fight.

You will know why I don't call them a speedster.

And why should I care about whatever you and others think?

Excellent logic. Mind telling me where that happened?

For that you will need a functioning brain.

Excellent logic again.

Of course you did.

Popular fallacy again? Tsk, Tsk.

Of course I am. You are using "vomit" a lot for some reason.

Yes, anything you don't like is garbage writing. Excellent logic again.

The what are you doing here? Get out of here.

Why? Neither Thor nor Surfer can stomp either here. I'm not pitting Flash against them here.

Here comes the irony. Just a few days of arguing and you have called me everything from a psychopath to a slave owner and I'm emotionally invested in this?

Kid, you are a piece of work.

Of course you did. Your entire argument is "How dare you, a superman fanboy question the speed of Thor and SIlver surfer.'

I only care about what's in the comics. Let me see what comics Breevort wrote those words in.

No, that isn't. You can destroy a planet and if someone comes along and break your arms and leave you broken, they are stronger than you. You can outrun a bullet and then someone comes and outruns you, they are faster than you.

Even if they don't destroy a planet or outrun a bullet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And yet he gets shot by bullets. Are these supposed to be contradictory?

You must be from the camp where it is demeaning to get shot by bullets?

Here you go, Lobo gets shot in a comic where he gets beat on by Superman too.

Tell that to the comic writers. Your logic is again based on real life science and hence worthless.

You don't get to dictate what should and shouldn't happen in the comics.

Majority of the times they do. That's what matters.

I don't ignore anything in the comics. You don't like comics, you like feats.

If you liked comics you will not try to find flaws within a fantasy genre which by its nature is nonsensical.

These characters don't exist kid.

They are more consistent than you think.

Of course that's rubbish. You think only you know about these characters and only versus forums can see what the characters are capable of?

GTFO with this shit.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

No, I'm always right because I am arguin comic book logic.

How amusing.

Running speed IS combat speed. You can't be faster than light in reflexes and unable to run at even Mach 1.

But as you are not interested in thread topic, how about you get out of it?

Whine some more. See if anyone cares.

You are inconsistent in everything. First you want to apply real life science in comics and then you also use comic book logic where its convenient. Stick to one logic.

But Daredevil's nanosecond feat is discarded because he didn't oved in it. Yet Surfer's mental processing feat is a speed feat.

Desaad's nanosecond feat isn't even acknowledged. How about Iron Man's picosecond feat?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg

Would you?

No, they don't. Simple as that.

You are basically whining why comics don't play by your rules. That's not how debating works kid.

So, yet more multiple long posts nearly an entire day since our last conversation and you have the nerve to try to say I am trying to get the last word in?

You are so desperate it is pathetic. Yet again you use an example that highlights how inconsistent comic books are by showing Lobo punch Superman without splattering his own arm. Despite the fact what is supposed to happen when you hit something, and you're not superhumanly durable? Is that you get phucked up.

That didn't happen with Lobo punched Superman, and it didn't happen Superman beat on him.

Yet, bullets were somehow able to do it. By your own logic that means those normal bullets are able to hit harder than both Lobo and Superman. After all, they could do way more serious damage than their punches could!

Yes, I have argued in favor of Superman before. You would known this if you paid attention to any of the times I did in other threads.

No, there is no universal comic book logic. It is so incredibly inconsistent that's it is not even funny. It has no standardized norms. They are defied constantly.

A fine example is the Midnighter who if we follow your train would mean he is able to hit far harder than thermonuclear weapons. After all, he could destroy Apollo's ear drums when explosions big enough to destroy country sized space stations couldn't.

This is what I am talking about. It so egregiously inconsistent that basing your arguments entirely on fights is one of the most dishonest ways to argue about comic books. It has no internal consistency.

Also, you're missing the point with Tom Brevoort. I was referring to how you were being a hypocrite, and relying on things outside of comic books.

Such as author intent, contradictory author statments, and databooks. Then you have the gall to say you just use material in the comic books themselves when you don't.

You use your own freaking fantasies, and fan-fiction that is so hilariously inconsistent that you can change the rules for it whatever you want. This is how you cheat in debate.

You go by different standards and flip flop at a moment's notice. Shifting through countless goal posts, and don't even holding yourself to the same standards.

Don't pretend you wouldn't be all over it if I started analyzing Superman's nanosecond feats, and gave you the accurate numbers for how impressive it is.

You even ask if I would? As if you are so suspicious of my intent here. I don't have a bias against Superman. I know for fact he is probably hundreds of times the speed of light as of New 52 and then some in terms of travel speed. If you go by his comparisons with the Flash he may have even femtosecond combat speed. Which would be quadrillions of times the speed of light.

This paranoa is yet more evidence of your clearly set in stone biases you have built up over the years. You think everyone is out to get you. You think everyone is trying to undermine Superman.

So, why not treat them the same way? After all, it is inevitable as far as you are concerned.

You need professional help, and this time I am not joking.

What happened to you that made you so obsessed? I am genuinely curious now.

Jesus freaking Christ.

Your long post are so stupidly long that I can't even reply to them normally, and have to use the quick quote function.

I can't even edit my own posts for typos now even within the fifteen time limit.

This is objective proof that if anyone is trying to get the last word in, and fill entire pages full of text it's you.

Originally posted by Sharivan
So, yet more multiple long posts nearly an entire day since our last conversation and you have the nerve to try to say I am trying to get the last word in?

Yes, I like long posts. Don't you?

You are so desperate it is pathetic. Yet again you use an example that highlights how inconsistent comic books are by showing Lobo punch Superman without splattering his own arm. Despite the fact what is supposed to happen when you hit something, and you're not superhumanly durable? Is that you get phucked up.

Yes, he is not bulletproof yet durable enough to tank blunt force damage.

Is this supposed to somehow show comics are inconsistent because they don't follow your rules?

That didn't happen with Lobo punched Superman, and it didn't happen Superman beat on him.

Yes, blunt force durablity=/=piercing durability. Ask Wonder Woman. Or Hulk.

Yet, bullets were somehow able to do it. By your own logic that means those normal bullets are able to hit harder than both Lobo and Superman. After all, they could do way more serious damage than their punches could!

Or blunt force durablity=/=piercing durability. There is a reason invulnerability and durability are differet in comics.

Yes, I have argued in favor of Superman before. You would known this if you paid attention to any of the times I did in other threads.

I'm not sure if you argue for Superman or because you find his feats from respect threads and post it when someone doesn't follow yyour own logic.

No, there is no universal comic book logic. It is so incredibly inconsistent that's it is not even funny. It has no standardized norms. They are defied constantly.

No, they aren't. Lobo doesn't suddenly become bulletproof. Neither does Wonder Woman.

A fine example is the Midnighter who if we follow your train would mean he is able to hit far harder than thermonuclear weapons. After all, he could destroy Apollo's ear drums when explosions big enough to destroy country sized space stations couldn't.

Or the writer doesn't takes that one instance as Apollo's sole measurement of durability.

This is what I am talking about. It so egregiously inconsistent that basing your arguments entirely on fights is one of the most dishonest ways to argue about comic books. It has no internal consistency.

It is the sole criteria kid. Nothing else matters. Keep your calculations at OBD.

Also, you're missing the point with Tom Brevoort. I was referring to how you were being a hypocrite, and relying on things outside of comic books.

I never relied on anything outside comics.

Such as author intent, contradictory author statments, and databooks. Then you have the gall to say you just use material in the comic books themselves when you don't.

I'm using only comics here kid. Author intent only matters when its in the comics.

You use your own freaking fantasies, and fan-fiction that is so hilariously inconsistent that you can change the rules for it whatever you want. This is how you cheat in debate.

Nice strawman logic kid. Anything else?

You go by different standards and flip flop at a moment's notice. Shifting through countless goal posts, and don't even holding yourself to the same standards.

Nope, never happened. You could accuse me till you are blue in the face and I wouldn't care.

Don't pretend you wouldn't be all over it if I started analyzing Superman's nanosecond feats, and gave you the accurate numbers for how impressive it is.

Go ahead kid. I don't go by numbers. Its not math.

You even ask if I would? As if you are so suspicious of my intent here. I don't have a bias against Superman. I know for fact he is probably hundreds of times the speed of light as of New 52 and then some in terms of travel speed. If you go by his comparisons with the Flash he may have even femtosecond combat speed. Which would be quadrillions of times the speed of light.

But he is not that fast. You are too absorbed in your own logic kid.

This paranoa is yet more evidence of your clearly set in stone biases you have built up over the years. You think everyone is out to get you. You think everyone is trying to undermine Superman.

No, I don't think so. You are free to accuse me whatever you want to. Don't hold your breath if you think any of that matters to me.

So, why not treat them the same way? After all, it is inevitable as far as you are concerned.

Because at average they are not the same.

You need professional help, and this time I am not joking.

Again with the bashing? Reported. Don't say I didn't give you a warning.

What happened to you that made you so obsessed? I am genuinely curious now.

You are the one obssessed with the last word here kid. Do you have OCD?

Originally posted by Sharivan
Jesus freaking Christ.

Your long post are so stupidly long that I can't even reply to them normally, and have to use the quick quote function.

I can't even edit my own posts for typos now even within the fifteen time limit.

This is objective proof that if anyone is trying to get the last word in, and fill entire pages full of text it's you.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine to you. Now tell me how many quadrillions of time faster than light Iron Man is.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg

Nice speed ft. Reminds me of that speed showing you use for Superman when he tells us he is going to punch someone within a femto second.

Originally posted by carver9
Nice speed ft. Reminds me of that speed showing you use for Superman when he tells us he is going to punch someone within a femto second.

Tell us more about how Thor eats mjolnir.

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I like long posts. Don't you?

No, I don't. It's tedious and turns this from an amusing hobby into a second occupation.

Yes, he is not bulletproof yet durable enough to tank blunt force damage.

Is this supposed to somehow show comics are inconsistent because they don't follow your rules?

These are not my rules. These are the rules set forth by reality itself which you seem to be unable to wrap your head around.

This is not my personal opinion, and this is not what I think.

The reason I apply them in certain cases for comic books is because it's the only objective way to judge them. Otherwise, you have to rely on arbitrary inconsistencies. That are in no way uniformed nor make any sense.

If you can survive a nuke to the face you sure as hell can't be cut by a knife.

Yes, blunt force durablity=/=piercing durability. Ask Wonder Woman. Or Hulk.

Yes, it does and it's on the writers being unable to recognize that. If they do it'd their fault, and they should be dismissed. As with durability it extends to all types of physical trauma.

Blunt, cutting, and anything regarding kinetic energy.

Or blunt force durablity=/=piercing durability. There is a reason invulnerability and durability are differet in comics.

No, they're not.

That's your personal opinion, and of which is not universally supported by comic books. Due to how inconsistent they are. The writers don't universally all agree with each other. If anything they're at each other's throats half the time.

I'm not sure if you argue for Superman or because you find his feats from respect threads and post it when someone doesn't follow yyour own logic.

It's literally one of the reasons I was banned from CBR.

I argue for Superman when what I know supports his victory. I argue against him when what I know doesn't.

It's called being an objective debater.

Again with the respect threads when you have been ripping junk from comicvine even on this very page?

I read Superman comics. I haven't read them all. I doubt many people have but I use what I do know.

No, they aren't. Lobo doesn't suddenly become bulletproof. Neither does Wonder Woman.

By logic and reasoning they should be. It doesn't make any sense for people who can survive thermonuclear weapons to be bothered by normal knives or bullets.

The latter example is especially unusual since bullets aren't even sharp most of the time. They're round or buckshot which are pellets. That would count under blunt damage.

That's how idiotic it is.

"They're resistant against blunt damage--but, oh wait. They're susceptible to blunt damage."

It's the difference between a punch and a palm strike.

Or the writer doesn't takes that one instance as Apollo's sole measurement of durability.

Are you seriously going to argue that Apollo is that squishy now?

This isn't the only time Midnighter fights people who should be able to cream him with a punch yet they don't.

He's notorious for doing this.

It is the sole criteria kid.

Says who?

You're the one trying to force this subjective opinion of yours down my throat.

Nothing else matters.

Yes, everything else matters. You don't get to ignore everything outside of their fights with other characters.

Keep your calculations at OBD.

So, you don't want me to give you a way to actually use Superman's feats? As you can't use them without establishing what they actually mean or at least by having a vague understanding of that.

Which you don't have.

I never relied on anything outside comics.

A blatant lie.

You have relied on the same things I have. If you don't then that must mean you ignore when Superman survived being a black hole. After all, it's not a showing against another character. It's just him surviving something.

You see, that's what I mean. You have no uniformed standards. You change at a moment's notice in order to support Superman in any way.

I'm using only comics here kid. Author intent only matters when its in the comics.

Yet another lie. You used a databook. You tried to say the writers universally agree with your subjective opinions, and you tried to flip flop between what kind of feats are acceptable.

You just said a femtosecond feat was acceptable for Superman when Carver replied to you.

Nice strawman logic kid. Anything else?

Thst is not a straw man. That was me illustrating what is wrong with your thought process. You can change your standards whenever you want. This allows you to use whatever you want, whenever you want. You are a shameless bastard.

Nope, never happened. You could accuse me till you are blue in the face and I wouldn't care.

It doesn't matter if you care or not. Your opinion has no place here. It's only the facts that matter. This is what you're not understanding.

Go ahead kid. I don't go by numbers. Its not math.

Yes, it is. When using distance and time in order to get speed. That is basic math.

But he is not that fast. You are too absorbed in your own logic kid.

Yes, he actually is. Now lets use your "logic," and combine it with mine.

Superman was able to tag the Flash.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/uOwC9.jpg

The Flash is able to instinctively dodge threats within femtoseconds.

http://i.imgur.com/m0yUWi7.jpg

This means Superman moved within that time-frame.

No, I don't think so. You are free to accuse me whatever you want to. Don't hold your breath if you think any of that matters to me.

I don't care if it matters to you or not. The fact of the matter is that this is your problem, and I think you seek help for it or at the very least you need to take a breather.

This is not something you should be so high strung about.

Because at average they are not the same.

That's not even what I was saying there. I wasn't saying they were the same as Superman or whatever.

I was illustrating your thought processes regarding this. That you think people are out to undermine Superman. So, you premptively undermine any characters that are usually matched up against him.

So, you treat them the same as you would imagine they will treat you and Superman.

Again with the bashing? Reported. Don't say I didn't give you a warning.

That wasn't me bashing you. I have genuine concern for your mental health right now. I was just poking at you before but you have an actual problem.

You are the one obssessed with the last word here kid. Do you have OCD?

I am not the one making consecutive long posts that break the forums character limit every seventeen hours after we finish our arguments. You keep digging this up.

It's not me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just giving a taste of your own medicine to you.

This is not what I am doing.

I am not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. I am not restarting this argument every seventeen hours with consecutive long posts. I am not plugging my ears with wax, and refusing to actually use any kind of reasoning ability.

That's what you're doing, and have been doing for the last couple days.

Now tell me how many quadrillions of time faster than light Iron Man is.

Iron Man isn't even attacking someone or moving to some specific spot. This is yet another processing instance. Just like Daredevil's which you posted earlier.

Also, even it was that case you don't get quadrillions of times the speed of light out of a picosecond easily. You would have to move an obscene distance.

Whereas just moving a foot within a femtosecond is three-hundred quadrillion times the speed of light.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4662965-6496707414-10372.jpg [/B]

As I already noted this is yet another processing instance. Iron Man does not act within a picosecond here. It's even explicitly described as some kind of processing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And he did exactly that.

Are you for real?

That instance is as valid as any I brought up for Silver Surfer and Thor.

How can you seriously not consider yourself a hypocrite right now?

You even just said you don't use numbers or basic math? How do you even apply it if you refuse to understand it?

Do you apply some arbitrary nonexistent meaning to it? Do you just guess?

Tell us more about how Thor eats mjolnir.

mmm [/B]

I heard Carver was a known Hulk fanboy but from what I have seen he is nowhere near as bad as you, and capable of being objective when he needs to be.

He seems to have really changed for the better, and isn't the same as he used to be.

I can respect that.

@Sharivan

👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. It has no weight on my arguments.

Are you sure you can comprehend something?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This guy will never get it.
facepalm

Probably not.

He is kind of like clock work. So, I imagine this will repeat itself again tonight.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Probably not.

He is kind of like clock work. So, I imagine this will repeat itself again tonight.

I have nothing against someone who uses or refers to bios/handbooks to help support their stance, but to ridicule others who do while claiming they never use them(but uses them all the time) is hypocrisy of the worst kind. Even worse is this fool used bios in a battlezone.

abhidur

Originally posted by Sharivan
[B]No, I don't. It's tedious and turns this from an amusing hobby into a second occupation.

But of course you do love long posts. That's what happened here.

These are not my rules. These are the rules set forth by reality itself which you seem to be unable to wrap your head around.

Not in comics. Comics play by their own rules.

This is not my personal opinion, and this is not what I think.

The reason I apply them in certain cases for comic books is because it's the only objective way to judge them. Otherwise, you have to rely on arbitrary inconsistencies. That are in no way uniformed nor make any sense.

If you can survive a nuke to the face you sure as hell can't be cut by a knife.

It makes no sense because it is a fantasy medium and even slightest application of real life science would unravel it.

You can either chose to use full real life science or not use it at all. It can't be in between.

Yes, it does and it's on the writers being unable to recognize that. If they do it'd their fault, and they should be dismissed. As with durability it extends to all types of physical trauma.

Blunt, cutting, and anything regarding kinetic energy.

Sorry, your words don't supersede anything in comics. We are in a comic vs forum and comics rule it.

No, they're not.

That's your personal opinion, and of which is not universally supported by comic books. Due to how inconsistent they are. The writers don't universally all agree with each other. If anything they're at each other's throats half the time.

It is universally supported. Superman is invulnerable. Someone like Thor isn't.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/image.php?msg=comicbattles-2014040822210175&att=MT409_03.jpg&fullsize=yes

It matters nothing what you think should happen in the comics.

It's literally one of the reasons I was banned from CBR.

I argue for Superman when what I know supports his victory. I argue against him when what I know doesn't.

Am I supposed to feel sympathy for you?

It's called being an objective debater.

Again with the respect threads when you have been ripping junk from comicvine even on this very page?

Yes, because I'm lazy. Not because I know nothing about the actual characters and start posting every link in the surfer respect thread on reddit like you did.

I read Superman comics. I haven't read them all. I doubt many people have but I use what I do know.

Well, I have.

By logic and reasoning they should be. It doesn't make any sense for people who can survive thermonuclear weapons to be bothered by normal knives or bullets.

It is what it is. Don't try to use real world logic in it.

The latter example is especially unusual since bullets aren't even sharp most of the time. They're round or buckshot which are pellets. That would count under blunt damage.

Comics don't take that route. So there you go.

That's how idiotic it is.

Why don't you write your own smart comics then?

"They're resistant against blunt damage--but, oh wait. They're susceptible to blunt damage."

It's the difference between a punch and a palm strike.

No, it is not.

Are you seriously going to argue that Apollo is that squishy now?

No, just that one high end feat doesn't denotes his durability anymore than getting overpowered by horses means he is that weak.

This isn't the only time Midnighter fights people who should be able to cream him with a punch yet they don't.

He is that skilled.

He's notorious for doing this.

Most street levelers do that.

Says who?

I do. And comics.

You're the one trying to force this subjective opinion of yours down my throat.

Enough rant about objective/subjective BS, alright? I'm not forcing you to accept anything.

Yes, everything else matters. You don't get to ignore everything outside of their fights with other characters.

No, I don't. But only the fights matter in assessing them.

So, you don't want me to give you a way to actually use Superman's feats? As you can't use them without establishing what they actually mean or at least by having a vague understanding of that.

We know he is very strong, very fast and very durable. That's enough to establish his power level.

Which you don't have.

Haha, really?

A blatant lie.

You have relied on the same things I have. If you don't then that must mean you ignore when Superman survived being a black hole. After all, it's not a showing against another character. It's just him surviving something.

Yes, I don't use Superman surviving a black hole as a durability feat in fights. Or that nothing below black hole level power can hurt him.

You see, that's what I mean. You have no uniformed standards. You change at a moment's notice in order to support Superman in any way.

In your head?

Yet another lie. You used a databook. You tried to say the writers universally agree with your subjective opinions, and you tried to flip flop between what kind of feats are acceptable.

I used a bio to show you how Marvel views the character.

Not that it is non canon or anything.

You just said a femtosecond feat was acceptable for Superman when Carver replied to you.

Because Superman actually acted in that time frame. And he has an established history of superspeed. He is not Ares and Nate Grey.

Thst is not a straw man. That was me illustrating what is wrong with your thought process. You can change your standards whenever you want. This allows you to use whatever you want, whenever you want. You are a shameless bastard.

Bashing again, eh? I'd report you but that's not necessary right now.

It doesn't matter if you care or not. Your opinion has no place here. It's only the facts that matter. This is what you're not understanding.

Of course they do. I'm basing all this on comics. Not your random "objective facts."

Yes, it is. When using distance and time in order to get speed. That is basic math.

Not in comics, it isn't that simple.

Yes, he actually is. Now lets use your "logic," and combine it with mine.

Superman was able to tag the Flash.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/uOwC9.jpg

The Flash is able to instinctively dodge threats within femtoseconds.

http://i.imgur.com/m0yUWi7.jpg

This means Superman moved within that time-frame.

No, it isn't. It just shows Flash can react within femtoseconds. Not that he always does that. Unless Flash does that against Superman, it can't be attributed to Superman.

I don't care if it matters to you or not. The fact of the matter is that this is your problem, and I think you seek help for it or at the very least you need to take a breather.

Nobody is needed help here but you.

This is not something you should be so high strung about.

Neither should you be.

That's not even what I was saying there. I wasn't saying they were the same as Superman or whatever.

Of course you were saying the same.

I was illustrating your thought processes regarding this. That you think people are out to undermine Superman. So, you premptively undermine any characters that are usually matched up against him.

And why am I opposing you giving Superman femtosecond feats all of a sudden in that case?

So, you treat them the same as you would imagine they will treat you and Superman.

That's some serious nonsense.

That wasn't me bashing you. I have genuine concern for your mental health right now. I was just poking at you before but you have an actual problem.

Yes, you were. And no, I didn't actually report you. Have fun in the meantime though.

I am not the one making consecutive long posts that break the forums character limit every seventeen hours after we finish our arguments. You keep digging this up.

That's so funny in the hindsight.

It's not me.

Of course it is.

This is not what I am doing.

Thou doth protest too much.

I am not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. I am not restarting this argument every seventeen hours with consecutive long posts. I am not plugging my ears with wax, and refusing to actually use any kind of reasoning ability.

So many negatives.

That's what you're doing, and have been doing for the last couple days.

Projection.

Iron Man isn't even attacking someone or moving to some specific spot. This is yet another processing instance. Just like Daredevil's which you posted earlier.

Yes, he is. He is physically searching for data. Extremis was bonded to his nervous system.

Also, even it was that case you don't get quadrillions of times the speed of light out of a picosecond easily. You would have to move an obscene distance.

So how fast was he?

Whereas just moving a foot within a femtosecond is three-hundred quadrillion times the speed of light.

Oh really?

As I already noted this is yet another processing instance. Iron Man does not act within a picosecond here. It's even explicitly described as some kind of processing.

Nope, read again.

Are you for real?

Last I checked, yes.

That instance is as valid as any I brought up for Silver Surfer and Thor.

No, it isn't. Surfer and Thor do not have the history of superspeed Superman has.

How can you seriously not consider yourself a hypocrite right now?

You even just said you don't use numbers or basic math? How do you even apply it if you refuse to understand it?

Do you apply some arbitrary nonexistent meaning to it? Do you just guess?

No, I take the character's history as a whole. Flash saying he operated in a nanosecond is far more believable than Quasar working in a nanosecond.

I heard Carver was a known Hulk fanboy but from what I have seen he is nowhere near as bad as you, and capable of being objective when he needs to be.

He seems to have really changed for the better, and isn't the same as he used to be.

I can respect that. [/B]

Wait until you read this.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=15235347#post15235347