Thor vs Silver Surfer

Started by abhilegend7 pages

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This guy will never get it.
facepalm
Originally posted by Sharivan
Probably not.

He is kind of like clock work. So, I imagine this will repeat itself again tonight.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
👆

I have nothing against someone who uses or refers to bios/handbooks to help support their stance, but to ridicule others who do while claiming they never use them(but uses them all the time) is hypocrisy of the worst kind. Even worse is this fool used bios in a battlezone.

abhidur


You guys finished jerking off to each other?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, you were. And no, I didn't actually report you. Have fun in the meantime though.

So, you decided to do this yet again in order to get the last word in? Not only that but you did this after I was banned so I couldn't reply back to you.

I understand what this is now.

You're a coward.

That's so funny in the hindsight.

Who here was so cowardly that they decided to get the last word in after someone was banned?

Of course it is.

No, it's really not.

You don't even sound convinced of it.

Thou doth protest too much.

Now you can't even come up with a proper comeback so you're copying me now.

So many negatives.

This coming from the guy habitually uses red herrings, double standards, and outright ignores what is happening in a story. Who refuses to understand the difference between seeing, processing, and actually moving within a timeframe?

Projection.

Ad nauseam.

Yes, he is.

No, he isn't and you're blatantly refusing to acknowledge that.

He is physically searching for data. Extremis was bonded to his nervous system.

Then why isn't he moving at all in those scans that you provided, and just waiting for the data to process?

So how fast was he?

He wasn't moving at all so there's nothing to quantify.

Oh really?

Yes, really.

Nope, read again.

As I already clarified you are lying through your teeth.

Last I checked, yes.

Then you are very, very sad man.

No, it isn't. Surfer and Thor do not have the history of superspeed Superman has. No, I take the character's history as a whole.

Yes, it is. As I already showed you there are many instances where they display clearly superhuman reflexes. It doesn't matter what their powerset is. What matters is what they have done.

Flash saying he operated in a nanosecond is far more believable than Quasar working in a nanosecond.

Arguing from belief, and showing a clear bias based on established limitations. When comic book writers are as dumb as a sack of rocks.

Again rely on what they are, and not what they have actually done.

By that logic since Batman is a peak human being as establish many times by writers saying that he is?

Then that means that Superman is so blind and deaf he can't even find someone who has no specific metahuman abilities that lets them hide from him.

This is consistent too. It happens not only when Superman is involved but other metahumans are as well.

Not that it makes sense at all mind you, and it is the writers exaggerating Batman's stealth abilities to the point of insanity.

Wait until you read this.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=15235347#post15235347 [/B]

I don't care about something he said a freaking year ago but apparently you do. Which again proves my point about you fixating on things that happened a long time ago.

You really want the last word so badly, don't you?

Originally posted by Sharivan
So, you decided to do this yet again in order to get the last word in? Not only that but you did this after I was banned so I couldn't reply back to you.

Yep, should I be ashamed about it? Poor you.

I understand what this is now.

Yet, here you are.

You're a coward.

Way to go. Call me some more names tough guy.

Who here was so cowardly that they decided to get the last word in after someone was banned?

Everyone who doesn't gets banned?

No, it's really not.

Of course it is.

You don't even sound convinced of it.

Now you are a telepath too?

Now you can't even come up with a proper comeback so you're copying me now.

Haha, right.

This coming from the guy habitually uses red herrings, double standards, and outright ignores what is happening in a story. Who refuses to understand the difference between seeing, processing, and actually moving within a timeframe?

Some more nonsense. Way to go again.

Ad nauseam.

Again.

No, he isn't and you're blatantly refusing to acknowledge that.

Of course he is. Just because you said something doesn't means its a fact.

Then why isn't he moving at all in those scans that you provided, and just waiting for the data to process?

He is physically accessing all the data. He doesn't has to move to do that.

He wasn't moving at all so there's nothing to quantify.

He was physically accessing all the data. Extremis was his nervous system. Its literally his reaction time.

Yes, really.

Ooh, what a witty comeback.

As I already clarified you are lying through your teeth.

I clarify your clarification and found it to be total shit. Whatcha gonna do?

Then you are very, very sad man.

No sadder than you though.

Yes, it is. As I already showed you there are many instances where they display clearly superhuman reflexes. It doesn't matter what their powerset is. What matters is what they have done.

No, it really doesn't. They don't have superspeed. Their isolated instances of showing reflexes don't mean they have superspeed.

Arguing from belief, and showing a clear bias based on established limitations. When comic book writers are as dumb as a sack of rocks.

Then write your own comics and argue about those.

Again rely on what they are, and not what they have actually done.

That's how it is kid.

By that logic since Batman is a peak human being as establish many times by writers saying that he is?

Yes, he is a peak human only. Just like Captain America.

Then that means that Superman is so blind and deaf he can't even find someone who has no specific metahuman abilities that lets them hide from him.

Or Batman is just that skilled.

Its a fantasy world, it doesn't follow your strict laws of physics.

This is consistent too. It happens not only when Superman is involved but other metahumans are as well.

So what?

Not that it makes sense at all mind you, and it is the writers exaggerating Batman's stealth abilities to the point of insanity.

So he has that level of skills. You don't get to say he doesn't because it violates your logic. Comics don't work that way.

I don't care about something he said a freaking year ago but apparently you do. Which again proves my point about you fixating on things that happened a long time ago.

He will say that again.

People don't change kid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You really want the last word so badly, don't you?

No, you see you're the one doing that. You add nothing of substance to an argument. You have no uniformed standards, and change them whenever it suits you. You're the one who decided to respond to my post after I was banned so I couldn't reply back.

You even admit that you disagree with me on principle, and for no other reason besides that.

Yep, should I be ashamed about it? Poor you.

So, you're admitting that you're an underhanded coward? You're not helping your stance here.

Yet, here you are.

I would have replied sooner if I wasn't banned. Yet, going by what Endless Mike told me you didn't get any punishment at all for your behavior.

Way to go. Call me some more names tough guy.

This is an objective fact. You chose to respond when my ability to do so myself was taken from me.

Everyone who doesn't gets banned?

You specifically replied to me when I was banned. This wasn't done once but twice. The second time where you claimed celeyhyga17 and myself were "jerking each other off?"

Yet, you're complaining about being called out for what you are? You're saying I am the one acting as if they are a "tough guy?"

Of course it is.

Ad nauseam once again with no counter argument.

Now you are a telepath too?

You're basically going "no, you" right now and have admitted in this very thread that you're only arguing against me because of a bias you have.

Haha, right.

Yes, literally. I was the first one who said "thou doth protest too much," and then you repeated what I said twice. One time incorrectly, and another time here.

Some more nonsense. Way to go again.

Yet again you have not a single constructive argument to show here.

Again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam

You do know what the logical fallacies are, right?

Of course he is. Just because you said something doesn't means its a fact.

Just because you ignore what we see happen in the scan itself, and try to say he is moving when he is clearly not? Does not mean that he is.

He is physically accessing all the data. He doesn't has to move to do that.

What you said here doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I suppose you actually mean "psychically" and and not "physically" which supports my side of the argument not yours. As that shows he is not actually moving. He is just thinking.

He was physically accessing all the data. Extremis was his nervous system. Its literally his reaction time.

Again this does not make any sense whatsoever. He is not moving here. He is merely accessing and processing data. Which has nothing to with reactions or reflexes as that entails moving your body within a certain timeframe not your mind.

Ooh, what a witty comeback.

That wasn't even supposed to be a "witty comeback" I was just noting once again that you are wrong.

I clarify your clarification and found it to be total shit. Whatcha gonna do?

Now you're just being an obnoxious manchild, and are barely even using the words I have correctly.

The only one who is full of shit here is you.

No sadder than you though.

So, you're admitting that you're a sad and pathetic individual?

No, it really doesn't. They don't have superspeed. Their isolated instances of showing reflexes don't mean they have superspeed.

Yes, it really does. What the writers say plays second fiddle to what is said or seen in a story. If we see that the writers are clearly wrong, have forgotten something or contradict themselves it's up to us to point that out.

Then write your own comics and argue about those.

Why don't you go ahead and prove that all comic books in the history of ever work according to an arbitrary set of standards that you constantly change?

That's how it is kid.

Have you seen death abhilegend? Have you see people choke on their own spittle as their liver fails as a result of cancer? Have you held their hands as they leave this world? Have you cared for them until the very end?

I am no kid.

The fact that you say otherwise is proof that you know nothing about me.

Yes, he is a peak human only. Just like Captain America.

Oh great, so you're one of those types? If it's not in their powerset you ignore all their blatantly superhuman abilities? You ignore every feat?

Good to know.

Or Batman is just that skilled.

Show me when and how Batman learned a technique that lets him hide from every visible spectrum, and completely conceals the sounds his body makes. Down to his blood flowing through his veins.

Its a fantasy world, it doesn't follow your strict laws of physics.

It doesn't adhere to any sort of rules, and this is something you critique based on an individual basis. No single comic book is going to have the same standards, and treat things the same way.

I already mentioned Luther Strode. Despite being a comic book it adheres to the laws of physics in its own way.

It acknowledges that having superhuman strength means having increased muscle density and being heavier than normal.

Here we see it acknowledge that throwing somebody by their shirt doesn't always work because of the person's weight.

The Strange Talent of Luther Strode #3

http://i.imgur.com/CO9agRt.jpg

Here we see Luther Strode destroy a car just by landing onto it.

The Legacy of Luther Strode #1

http://i.imgur.com/gyGeTjf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ENpe92w.jpg

Then there's the fact his increased muscle density means that his muscles are bullet proof.

The Strange Talent of Luther Strode #1

http://i.imgur.com/lzLZhyv.jpg

So what?

I was referring to the fact you are talking about consistency, and that by your own logic that means Superman can't detect Batman.

Which is retarded. It has no explanation. There is no elaborate technique or supernatural affinity behind it. A peak human being can hide from Superman for no reason?

That doesn't make sense.

So he has that level of skills.

How about showing me when Batman learned how to hide from every visible spectrum, and freeze all of his bodily functions without dying or going into a coma.

You don't get to say he doesn't because it violates your logic.

Straw man.

That's not what I was saying. What I was saying was that this an instance of PIS/CIS.

Comics don't work that way.

Comic books do not work in any way, and each series adheres to its own specific rules. Yet, you're trying instead to say that they universally follow the same rules as each other. When they don't.

He will say that again.

People don't change kid.

Yes, they do.

I have seen murderers become decent human beings. Who sincerely regret what they have done. If people that bad can change why not some nerd about an opinion they had on the internet a year ago?

Originally posted by Sharivan
[B]No, you see you're the one doing that. You add nothing of substance to an argument. You have no uniformed standards, and change them whenever it suits you. You're the one who decided to respond to my post after I was banned so I couldn't reply back.

Projecting your own obsessiveness on me wouldn't help you kid.

You were banned for a week, you could've let it go easily. But you didn't. I'm just letting you taste your own medicine for a change.

You even admit that you disagree with me on principle, and for no other reason besides that.

No, I informed you that I am replying to you to teach you manners and disagree on principle alone.

This doesn't has to do anything with principle or anything.

So, you're admitting that you're an underhanded coward? You're not helping your stance here.

I'm not sure what bashing me more will accomplish you here but getting banned again.

Its your move kid. Keep calling me names and coward as if I care for what you say.

I would have replied sooner if I wasn't banned. Yet, going by what Endless Mike told me you didn't get any punishment at all for your behavior.

What behavior? I'm talking peacefully here. You are the one who is throwing tantrums after tantrums.

What sin have I committed for which I have to be punished? Not letting you get the last word? Adhering to comics and not your rules?

[quoe]This is an objective fact. You chose to respond when my ability to do so myself was taken from me.[/quote]

So what? Are you going to report for me that? Or are you trying to get me to say sorry to you?

You specifically replied to me when I was banned. This wasn't done once but twice. The second time where you claimed celeyhyga17 and myself were "jerking each other off?"

Yes, I did. What are you going to do except repeating it again and again?

Yet, you're complaining about being called out for what you are? You're saying I am the one acting as if they are a "tough guy?"

Yes, because you are acting like one. I didn't reply to you for acting like a tough guy "How dare he reply to me while I'm banned".

Ad nauseam once again with no counter argument.

All counter arguments have been presented. You have just discarded them because "They don't make no sense and writers are idiots."

Fine logic as always.

You're basically going "no, you" right now and have admitted in this very thread that you're only arguing against me because of a bias you have.

You are imagining things now. Not a good start kid.

Don't let me tell you what you've done so far. Its not pretty.

Yes, literally. I was the first one who said "thou doth protest too much," and then you repeated what I said twice. One time incorrectly, and another time here.

So? Did you copywrite the line so I can't use it?

Yet again you have not a single constructive argument to show here.

Of course I do. You are just too blind to see it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam

You do know what the logical fallacies are, right?

Yes, that's what your whole argument is.

Just because you ignore what we see happen in the scan itself, and try to say he is moving when he is clearly not? Does not mean that he is.

Extremis is his nervous system kid. He is accessing it through the Extremis and physically accessing it.

Its not a processing feat. No matter how many times you say it.

What you said here doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I suppose you actually mean "psychically" and and not "physically" which supports my side of the argument not yours. As that shows he is not actually moving. He is just thinking.

You are even more blind than what I thought possible.

No I said physically. Learn to read.

He doesn't has to move to control his nervous system aka Extremis. He is accessing data physically.

He is not thinking. Get it in your thick skull.

[uote]Again this does not make any sense whatsoever. He is not moving here. He is merely accessing and processing data. Which has nothing to with reactions or reflexes as that entails moving your body within a certain timeframe not your mind. [/quote]

Now who is repeating himself ad nauseam, eh?

He is using his nervous system kid. Why is not that registering with you?

That wasn't even supposed to be a "witty comeback" I was just noting once again that you are wrong.

Nope, not even a little bit.

Now you're just being an obnoxious manchild, and are barely even using the words I have correctly.

Oh, call me some more names. That's certainly going to help.

The only one who is full of shit here is you.

"No you" is certainly a great argument.

So, you're admitting that you're a sad and pathetic individual?

Do you just live to get ridiculed? Because this is as laughable comeback as I've ever seen.

Yes, it really does. What the writers say plays second fiddle to what is said or seen in a story. If we see that the writers are clearly wrong, have forgotten something or contradict themselves it's up to us to point that out.

No, it doesn't. Never does nor has.

You are supplanting your own ideas on someone else's work.

That's never gonna fly here. Go back to narutoforums and make some more calculations.

Why don't you go ahead and prove that all comic books in the history of ever work according to an arbitrary set of standards that you constantly change?

I'm only following what's in the comics. These aren't my rules. These are defined by the comics themselves.

And I'm gonna take that against your silly rules any time.

Have you seen death abhilegend? Have you see people choke on their own spittle as their liver fails as a result of cancer? Have you held their hands as they leave this world? Have you cared for them until the very end?

You've gone too far kid. This much emotional outrage on an argument on internet is not healthy.

I am no kid.

Then stop acting like one. You can't force your opinion on someone and throw tantrums and calling them names when they disagree with you.

This could've been avoided if you could've just disagreed with me. I would've let it go and didn' even thought about replying to you.

But you went ahead and acted like I attacked you personally and made it a matter of ego.

You act like a dick? Don't expect me to play nice.

The fact that you say otherwise is proof that you know nothing about me.

I don't. Nor do I care to know. I just know you are an emotionally repressed individual who lashes out against anyone who disagrees with him. Just from your replies.

I have no personal beef with you.

Oh great, so you're one of those types? If it's not in their powerset you ignore all their blatantly superhuman abilities? You ignore every feat?

If they are as rare as getting one speed feat per decade? Yes.

Averages count kid.

Good to know.

Yes, me too.

Show me when and how Batman learned a technique that lets him hide from every visible spectrum, and completely conceals the sounds his body makes. Down to his blood flowing through his veins.

Anytime he hid from Superman, you see that technique.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't means its not there.

You are just using a circular logic "Batman can't do that, so those don't count." as a means to disregard all those showings.

That's not how it works kid.

It doesn't adhere to any sort of rules, and this is something you critique based on an individual basis. No single comic book is going to have the same standards, and treat things the same way.

Of course not. But there are general rules to any fantasy genre.

You can't apply real life logic to fantasy worlds. If a fantasy world says the beings are vulnerable to bullets but can take planet shattering force, then that's what that is true.

You don't get to diregard that because that's impossible by real life standards.

I already mentioned Luther Strode. Despite being a comic book it adheres to the laws of physics in its own way.

It acknowledges that having superhuman strength means having increased muscle density and being heavier than normal.

Here we see it acknowledge that throwing somebody by their shirt doesn't always work because of the person's weight.

The Strange Talent of Luther Strode #3

http://i.imgur.com/CO9agRt.jpg

Here we see Luther Strode destroy a car just by landing onto it.

The Legacy of Luther Strode #1

http://i.imgur.com/gyGeTjf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ENpe92w.jpg

Then there's the fact his increased muscle density means that his muscles are bullet proof.

The Strange Talent of Luther Strode #1

http://i.imgur.com/lzLZhyv.jpg

Then that's what peak humans in that world are capable of. You are acting like the creator is comparing real life peak humans when he is calling Luthor Strode a peak human.

I'd like to know where he called him a peak human though. If its outside comics, of course it doesn't counts if its not mentioned in the comic itself.

I was referring to the fact you are talking about consistency, and that by your own logic that means Superman can't detect Batman.

Yes, if that happens in the comics, sure.

How is that a knock on Superman?

Which is retarded. It has no explanation. There is no elaborate technique or supernatural affinity behind it. A peak human being can hide from Superman for no reason?

Except he is as skilled as to do that and has gadgets that can supress his vital signs.

Its not as retarded as you think.

That doesn't make sense.

That must be your catchphrase by now.

How about showing me when Batman learned how to hide from every visible spectrum, and freeze all of his bodily functions without dying or going into a coma.

He has gadgets for that.

Shocker I know.

Straw man.

😂

That's not what I was saying. What I was saying was that this an instance of PIS/CIS.

No, they are not.

Comic books do not work in any way, and each series adheres to its own specific rules. Yet, you're trying instead to say that they universally follow the same rules as each other. When they don't.

Of course they work. Disregarding every comic book and applying your own logic doesn't.

How does they don't? Because a few outliers scene violate that logic and you assume every comic doesn't makes sense?

Real brilliance right there.

Yes, they do.

No, they don't.

I have seen murderers become decent human beings. Who sincerely regret what they have done. If people that bad can change why not some nerd about an opinion they had on the internet a year ago? [/B]

Because he hasn't changed a bit.

Enough strwaman though. Post a single scan of Thor or Surfer running as the thread is about surfer and Thor running a race.

I'm going to cut short your replies from now on for any off topic nonsense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Pray tell, who is the one who derailed that last thread with a different topic entirely? Who was the one who dug up a year old thread to bait someone else into an argument. Who replies by every seventeen or so hours, as if they are on a schedule?

You're the one who keeps on replying. You're the one who keeps on trying to get the last word in. Then you had the nerve to try it again after I was banned so I couldn't reply back.

Hoping that I would let you have that pyrrhic victory.

No, that would be your over active imagination attributing traits to me that do not exist. You're the only one who has been doing this.

You do know that respect is earned not given? You want my respect so badly?

You know what? I will humor you. You want me to treat you respectfully?

You have to drop your double standards, start treating others with respect, and drop the pretenses. You have to stop arguing for no reason at all. You have to accept that some people out there are not going to like you.

You literally just admitted that it does in the part of this post right before this one.

I am not bashing you here. When I said that you replied in a way that admitted that was the case, and that my initial claim about you was correct.

You're specifically doing this because I am not showing you proper etiquette. This is about me not showing you respect, and you wanting it.

Don't feign ignorance.

Okay, lets see. You broke the board rules regarding author statements and data-books. Then you pretended that you didn't even do so when you explicitly did. You're denying that you don't have double standards even when you do.

You're using logical fallacy after logical fallacy.

You're saying that you're not doing something even when you admit that you are in the same breath.

You debate entirely based on bias. You disagree on principle even when you have no reason to disagree. You treat others with disrespect, and bias based on things they have done years ago. Such as with Carver.

Despite that you want respect yourself. When you have behaved in no way that would allow you to earn it.

It proves my point about you being a coward. This is a debate we're having. That's what this is about.

You're the one who is doing this as we speak and sounding like a broken record in the process.

That's not being a tough guy. That was me calling you out on your positively pathetic behavior. You honestly expect someone would let that stand?

None of which actually make sense, and of which I have already rebuked several times over. Which you have only rehashed in your ad nauseam.

You're repeating your same broken points but are only adding a different pinch of seasoning to them at best.

On top of the red herrings, and straw mans.

There exists an actual ruling against using author statements and anything similar. The writers are idiots, and yes what they say doesn't make sense.

Yes, it is. Thank you for agreeing with me.

I accept your concession.

You're the one in perpetual denial about your own motives regarding this.

Okay, so you make this about attacks on each other's character? Alright then, I have already listed your mistakes.

They're far uglier then any I have ever made.

No, I was merely pointing out your unoriginality and your ad nauseam.

No, it's that I do not buy into the ramblings of an obsessive troglodyte.

Now who is the one who is projecting?

You're saying that I am doing what you're doing? I haven't used any red herrings. I haven't used any double standards. I haven't used any straw men.

That's the same as saying a computer's ability to transfer and process information between other computers is not a processing feat but instead a reflex feat usable in combat.

Your personal opinion about it does not matter here. The fact is this is an instance of processing information, and it's not used to move anywhere.

How was that blind? I merely noted that the terminology you used makes no sense there. He is not actually moving. He is thinking, and extremis does the rest.

I do know how to read, and what you said there makes positively no sense. Which why I asked whether you used the wrong word because it was idiotic otherwise.

That is exactly my point. He wasn't moving. In order for this to be speed there needs to be actual movement.

If he is not thinking or moving how is he making extremis do any of that?

Only because you are refusing to listen to reason, and have to be reminded of that constantly.

Which means that he is not moving. Which means this is different. That it is processing speed, and not movement speed.

He is not moving to some specific spot or attacking someone.

Oh no, you're wrong. As I already made note of several times.

Who was the one calling me blind again? Who was the one who said I was jerking someone off?

Oh, that's right. You're the one.

Ad nauseam once again for the sake of a circular debate.

No, as far as I know that's you on practically every forum that you got kicked out of because of this behavior of yours.

Yes it does. Always has and always will.

Whatever they say outside of a story does not carry more weight than what is actually said in a story or seen in a story.

No, you're not. You brought up a databook, and even attempted to say they held more sway than what we see in the stories in the very post.

They are your rules which you apply in whatever way that you see fit.

Comic books do not follow any kind of universal rulings. They are so inconsistent that their rulings are all over the place.

They're the standards and norms held within every form of debate. I have nothing to do with them.

Do you honestly hear yourself you're a caricature of your own personality at this point. This just you wanting to get back at me for calling you crazy earlier.

Which you are by the way. Your fixation truly knows no bounds.

You're going to dodge the question then? I was right you are a coward. Come on it's nothing strange. We have all seen death. You must have.

We're both nerds on an internet forum talking about fictional characters. This has nothing to do with "being a kid" and has more to do with "being a weirdo."

You mean what you do every day of your life?

I am a dick but at least I am honest about it.

Unlike you.

You who expect others to give you a curtsy that you do not extend to them.

They are not as rare as you think they are. As I have already proven pages ago. Which you dismissed based on imagined inconsistencies.

Your rhetoric doesn't average out.

There is no technique that allows Batman to hide from every visible spectrum, and completely conceal all of his bodily functions.

You're the one who is trying to say it's there when it's not.

You are the one using circular logic right now. Yes, we can disregard it when it makes positively no sense for Batman to accomplish this.

There are no general rules in any genre as that would require every writer to be consistent with each other which they're not.

If a character who can survive the destruction of an entire planet is hurt by a normal handgun I have every right to ignore it. Since it's one of the most egregious examples of plot induced stupidity.

I get to disregard it because it doesn't even make sense within any kind of standard. It's pure nonsense within nonsense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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No, Justin Jordan used a specific real life incriminate and said they were about twice peak human by our standards which is contradicted by what is said and seen in the Luther Strode trilogy.

You went out of your complaining about how I didn't adhere to author statements or give them any credit. Yet, now you're back-peddling out of that and saying that what happens in the story matters. When before you said otherwise. Often interchangeably with this.

As I already noted your standards are nonexistent, and you change them whenever it conveniences your side of the argument.

It is a knock on Superman because the vast majority of the times Batman does this there is no excuse. He doesn't use his gadgets or his special suits. He does it anyway without them.

Show my any technique that allows Batman to disappear from every visible spectrum, and hide every single one of his biological functions.

He literally does not use these gadgets most of the time, and the most he ever had was a heart monitor. It didn't hide the rest of his biological functions. He also has a suit specifically made for hiding from pretty much every visible spectrum but almost never uses it. That's post flash point. Whereas the heart monitor was pre flash point. He never had or used both at the same, and for most of this instances where managed to hide from Superman he was using his standard equipment.

These rules do not work universally, and requires you to assume every writer agrees with each other. That there are no inconsistencies in comic books when they are. That this has been uniformed throughout every comic book in existence. Which is impossible to prove, and not true.

People change.

I don't know Carver seems much better than he was a long time ago. I can't say the same about you.

This is a sham. You made this thread to begin with out of spite, and you dug it in order to bait me into this ridiculousness. You're focusing on running speed because you think that since they can't run long distances it means they can't move quickly in combat. Despite you differentiating between running speed and attack speed yourself, and then flip flopping back into saying you need to be able to run long distances really fast in order to have any kind of super-speed. Which is not true.

oh my god what the **** are you guys even arguing about

Originally posted by Sharivan
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Like I said, I wouldn't reply to any of your nonsense until you get back on topic. I can, but at this point I know its of no use.

So get back at topic or try to get the last word again.

Your choice.

Bump

Abhiligend has been ruining threads for 6 years. Pretty impressive streak. Even Whirly was reformed.

You're still a whiny idiot for these many years?

Originally posted by carver9
Thor swallow Mjlonir and Surfer absorbs his board and both circles earth in less than a nano second.
What have you been smoking Carver? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Thor swallows a hammer and SS "absorbs" the board up his butt.

Sin is finally getting a hold on Carver

You are missed.