Originally posted by riv6672
The only difference between Hulk and Supes feats? Hulk is limited by the fact he cant fly.
Plus isn't smarter
Doesn't have friends in the future that can give him a blue print to a Multiversal weapon
Doesn't have exotic powers
Doesn't have a sun eater has a pet
Doesn't have many friends that would die for him for the cause just because he ask them them too
Clearly flying is the only thing he has over Hulk.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[B]DO NOT POST ABOUT SUPERMAN FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR!!!! [/B]
He will if you jump off a bridge. MAKE OUR DREAMS COME TRUE!!!
What are you waiting for?
Originally posted by ghostman1) Now first of all, I'd like to clear up some shit on this page specifically in regards to where the Moon's mass is stated on-panel:
"The Shadow's mass will be the same as the real Moon."
"81 Billion tons."
Now, that second line of dialogue, as stated by Batman, is false - the Mass of the Moon is not 81 Billion tons but is instead, in fact, much closer to 81 Billion Billion tons at 81 Quintillion tons, or at 73 Sextillion kilograms. I've also heard marvel **** drip try and suggest that the DC Comics variant of the Earth's Moon had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon, but this claim is also false. The writer of Justice League Vol. 2 #30, Dwayne McDuffie, had later specifically mentioned on his own website that he had tried to, and made a error in, calculating the real-life Moon's mass for this comic, as well as that he had originally intended to utilize the actual Moon's mass of 81 Quintillion tons. This is also very evident even in the dialogue itself, where it's clearly stated that the Shadow Moon's mass "will be the same as the real Moon", yet the distinction still wouldn't make much sense, if Earth's Moon in the DC Universe had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon.
2) For some "reason", some people always seem to selectively forget the basic scientific principal of "Force = Mass*Acceleration", even when it's been spoon-fed to them - it's also even funnier because that exact same comic, which had mentioned the F=MA equation on-panel, has already established that the Mass of the Shadow Moon, as well as the fact that it was heading to Earth. Still, do we know just how fast it was going?
"My ring clocks it at 7,614,000 km per hour"
...and thank you, Green Lantern! Now, we have everything that we need to figure out just how much Kinetic Energy the Shadow Moon was exerting while heading for Earth, and how much Superman had to exert to stop it! Keep in mind that Superman didn't simply "stop" the Shadow Moon either - he actually was able to not only match the Shadow Moon's forward momentum, moving at 7,614,000 km per hour or 2,115,000 m/s, but also outright shattered it into fragments and exerted far more than the necessary power to pulverize it.
KE = 1/2mv^2
KE = 1/2(73 Sextillion*2,115,000)^2
KE = 1.632727124e+35 Joules
Calculating the Kinetic Energy of the Shadow Moon has given us a result of 3.9 Quintillion Megatons of force - that's enough energy to destroy Earth 735.84x over!!!! good god... ****ing supes!!!!! heres the feat in action:
superman>hulk.
WELCOME TO THE HOUSE OF EL!!!!
Both Lex and Hal possessed infinite power in their God form.
Originally posted by Galan007
@ Phil.I can't respond to your PM due to the wacky character in your username, but yes, that definitely puts Darkseid's power into perspective... Especially given that the CB was stated to possess infinite power on the very same page:
http://i.imgur.com/0YqVKuJ.jpg
ie. Darkseid's power~CB=infinite.Heck, Darkseid's power could very well have been greater than the CB's... It was just the closest match in the universe that Mother Box could find.
It's also worth noting that the Omega power Lex inherited from Darkseid was stated to be infinite as well:
http://i.imgur.com/GOv80N5.jpg
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Originally posted by riv6672
[B]No, i was saying his ability to fly helps with his strength feats.
You would have to prove that's what the writer intended. I'm sure there's cases of that, but your argument that all feats involving flight are helped by it? Burden of proof is on you.
And yes, I'm aware of that scan under Byrne. Few if any writers seemed to put stock in Superman having a form of telekinesis after Byrne, and we've got Supes saying Connor has a power he doesn't, so I wouldn't put much weight in that scan unless you're arguing it for a Byrne feat.
Plus, his best strength feat is without flight. And tops, well, Amy strength feat I've seen.
You guys are overthinking what i said.
All i meant was, Superman's ability to fly puts him in a position to carry out strength feats Hulk "cant" (please notice quotation marks) because Hulk cant fly.
An example cited in this thread is Superman (and MMH) moving a Jupiter sized ship.
Does anyone really think an angry Hulk with the power of flight couldnt have done the same?
I personally think he could have.
Originally posted by riv6672
You guys are overthinking what i said.All i meant was, Superman's ability to fly puts him in a position to carry out strength feats Hulk "cant" (please notice quotation marks) because Hulk cant fly.
An example cited in this thread is Superman (and MMH) moving a Jupiter sized ship.
Does anyone really think an angry Hulk with the power of flight couldnt have done the same?
I personally think he could have.
Honestly, that's a circular argument.
Originally posted by riv6672
No, it isnt, but i'm not looking to change your mind on the subject.
You certainly wont change mine.
It most certainly is the way you presented it.
If your argument is based on actual Hulk feats, then present one. But the way you wrote it? Whether this is what you intended or not, it's saying, "It's like this because that's the way I think it should be."
If you're just going to fall back on that, why waste both our time with responses?
Originally posted by riv6672
You guys are overthinking what i said.All i meant was, Superman's ability to fly puts him in a position to carry out strength feats Hulk "cant" (please notice quotation marks) because Hulk cant fly.
An example cited in this thread is Superman (and MMH) moving a Jupiter sized ship.
Does anyone really think an angry Hulk with the power of flight couldnt have done the same?
I personally think he could have.
He would've done it easily. This is the same guy that was on his feet after having a sun on his back.
Originally posted by Delta1938
It most certainly is the way you presented it.If your argument is based on actual Hulk feats, then present one. But the way you wrote it? Whether this is what you intended or not, it's saying, "It's like this because that's the way I think it should be."
If you're just going to fall back on that, why waste both our time with responses?
