Trump has a point, if guns don't keep people safe then she should disarm her guards and just give them some tazers to use. In fact if she becomes president the secret service just plain shouldn't be allowed to carry guns.
For someone apparently smart that is a retarded thing to say. Hell a year or two ago I was watching a video where this guy was at a gas station and he was pumping gas in his car and two thugs come up to try to rob him, one of them had a gun. Well dipshits messed with the wrong person: dude had a gun and one of the people trying to rob the guy ended up dead and honestly? That is a happy ending to that story.
Or the instance where a man was holding up a convenience store with a gun and a customer with a conceal and carry permit stopped him with his own gun. Keep in mind for that incident the kids mother got on the news and whined over it and actually said the guy should of just minded his own business and let the punk rob the place. Which of course explains why the kid turned out a criminal in the first place if that is the person who raised him.
A gun depends on the user..they are not sentient. A person could use a gun to shoot a bunch of innocent people. Or a person could use a gun to shoot a motherf*cker who was about to shoot innocent people. Context Hilary, context.
Originally posted by Surtur
Trump has a point, if guns don't keep people safe then she should disarm her guards and just give them some tazers to use. In fact if she becomes president the secret service just plain shouldn't be allowed to carry guns.For someone apparently smart that is a retarded thing to say. Hell a year or two ago I was watching a video where this guy was at a gas station and he was pumping gas in his car and two thugs come up to try to rob him, one of them had a gun. Well dipshits messed with the wrong person: dude had a gun and one of the people trying to rob the guy ended up dead and honestly? That is a happy ending to that story.
Or the instance where a man was holding up a convenience store with a gun and a customer with a conceal and carry permit stopped him with his own gun. Keep in mind for that incident the kids mother got on the news and whined over it and actually said the guy should of just minded his own business and let the punk rob the place.
Very well said
If she becomes president I expect her first action to be disarming our military of all guns and just equipping them with tasers and all that. After all guns don't keep people safe, so there is literally no point to even have them. I'd say sell them to other countries, but who would want to buy totally useless items?
Originally posted by Surtur
Trump has a point,
No, he really doesn't. It's a distraction tactic. Considering who she is, having armed and trained private security makes sense and it's an entirely separate issue to gun regulation.
Might as well conflate gun regulation with disarming our police and military. Though the funny thing there, some of the biggest "don't take my guns!" shouters have a problem with the police being well armed.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, he really doesn't. It's a distraction tactic. Considering who she is, having armed and trained private security makes sense and it's an entirely separate issue to gun regulation.
It's a distraction with a point though. Also Hilary flat out said guns do not keep people safe. So why would her security need guns if they don't keep people safe?
Who she is..is no real excuse for it though. She didn't say "guns don't keep people safe unless you are rich and well known and can hire armed security guards".
Of course Trump will use it as a distraction..which is why she should of known better then to say it at all. I expect someone running for friggin president to know better. The fire is already burning, why help by tossing a shitload of gasoline on it? I was under the impression she was supposed to be intelligent.
Truth is guns can keep people safe..and they can also be used to harm. As for cops, they should be well armed, but they shouldn't be given military grade equipment. If a specific police department wants military grade shit then every single person in said department should be required to undergo the training soldiers in the military need to undergo.
Originally posted by Surtur
It's a distraction with a point though. Also Hilary flat out said guns do not keep people safe. So why would her security need guns if they don't keep people safe?Who she is..is no real excuse for it though. She didn't say "guns don't keep people safe unless you are rich and well known and can hire armed security guards".
Of course Trump will use it as a distraction..which is why she should of known better then to say it at all. I expect someone running for friggin president to know better. The fire is already burning, why help by tossing a shitload of gasoline on it?
Originally posted by Bardock42
You are taking that out of context though. What she means is that guns in the hands of private citizens do not keep people safe. You can argue with that of course, but pretending she meant security professionals misrepresents her stance.
But no matter which context you take it in..it is a silly statement. We have had a variety of instances where private citizens prevented crime or saved lives due to a legal conceal and carry permit.
So yep, it is indeed about context...even if you want to talk about just private citizens. The context of the specific situation matters. Shouldn't someone running for president know this?
She could say maybe a majority of the time guns do not help, but a blanket statement of "they don't keep people safe" is asinine no matter the context...and YES, she needs to be friggin specific about the shit that comes out of her mouth. So there is no "well she didn't mean guns literally have never kept people safe".
Originally posted by Surtur
But no matter which context you take it in..it is a silly statement. We have had a variety of instances where private citizens prevented crime or saved lives due to a legal conceal and carry permit.So yep, it is indeed about context...even if you want to talk about just private citizens. The context of the specific situation matters. Shouldn't someone running for president know this?
She could say maybe a majority of the time guns do not help, but a blanket statement of "they don't keep people safe" is asinine no matter the context...and YES, she needs to be friggin specific about the shit that comes out of her mouth. So there is no "well she didn't mean guns literally have never kept people safe".
And we have instances were the gun did the opposite. Old study, but it found that having a gun in your home increased the chances of a homicide: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506