WBHulk vs. Barry Allen.

Originally posted by carver9
What if your powerset include hitting a person with a blast bfring him?

For Surfer to lose any battles by ko or death, he would deliberately have to forget that he had the bfr option and the ability to see the future.

That doesn't sound like Surfer, at all..

In order for your argument to hold weight, all of his opponents would have to have instantaneous reactions...at least the ones that were capable of punching him clean in the face, or your scenario is a high showing that you are using as a norm. Please don't let me name who's all damaged him in combat or outright koed him.

Like Thor? He did the same thing when he realised he couldn't beat Nuul. BFR blast.

Surfer doesn't calculate infinite possibilities in a panel, like Flash. THIS is the great difference. He has speedy reflexes - of course he has, I am not saying this at all. But Flash reacts on femtosecond, attosecond levels. Neither does Surfer see exactly how battles play out - if you want, open that thread and feel free to scan dump. He sees vague visions, and has to concentrate a lot. It's not a Midnighter or Mr X thing.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]Uuuummmm, CIS have a lot to do with this. You're debating Flash out of character. If this is the case then this should be applied across the board, not with just Flash.

Cheetah instantaneous reflex for the win.

Come now. Cheetah is faster than an amped WW. You and I both know I can easily post your own statements now, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good point carver, Superman wins 10/10 against both surfer and Thor as they are slow as hell.

Did you even see them race?

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Ok! If you think Surfer is slow, then yes, debating powerset like the people in this thread, Surfer gets stomped. I think Surfer is the fastest Herald, so he should stomp Supes as well 10/10 if we debate like the folks in this thread.

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Why are you arguing about Surfer/Superman anyway? Make a new thread about that.

Can't argue on behalf of hulk?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like Thor? He did the same thing when he realised he couldn't beat Nuul. BFR blast.

Surfer doesn't calculate infinite possibilities in a panel, like Flash. THIS is the great difference. He has speedy reflexes - of course he has, I am not saying this at all. But Flash reacts on femtosecond, attosecond levels. Neither does Surfer see exactly how battles play out - if you want, open that thread and feel free to scan dump. He sees vague visions, and has to concentrate a lot. It's not a Midnighter or Mr X thing.

Surfer goes intangible so that he can't be hurt and he then think of the future to see the flaws in his future battle plan and proceed at bfring his opponent. He does this 10/10.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Why are you arguing about Surfer/Superman anyway? Make a new thread about that.

Can't argue on behalf of hulk?

I agree. Let's get off that topic. Hulk punch Flash in the face 10/10 for the victory.

Look at that femtosecond speed. Infinite possibility scanning.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuuummmm, CIS have a lot to do with this. You're debating Flash out of character. If this is the case then this should be applied across the board, not with just Flash.

Cheetah instantaneous reflex for the win.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer goes intangible so that he can't be hurt and he then think of the future to see the flaws in his future battle plan and proceed at bfring his opponent. He does this 10/10.

Ah, flaws in your plan at doing this, and how this applies to Flash - this explanation may show you where you're going wrong.

Surfer does not go intangible at the start of the match. Flash does NOT calculate infinite possibilities at the start of the match. Yes/No? I think we all agree with this.

Surfer, in character, starts blasting. Flash, starts...running? Whatever it is he does.

Oh no, the battle is going against them! Maestrobreaker Devil Hulkkiller Humanoid is more powerful than we thought!

Flash - realises this in the space of femtoseconds. Surfer, in the space of...whatever you can prove.

By then, its too late for Surfer. But not for Flash.

THAT'S the difference.

Originally posted by carver9

Look at that femtosecond speed. Infinite possibility scanning.

Cheetah is faster than an amped WW (who you assert is a trans). Blitzed Superman. Why is that a low showing? For that to happen, you have to show that Cheetah is slow.

If Cheetah is slow, then it's PIS (how can a slower character tag a faster character?)

If Cheetah is fast, then...well, she's just that fast.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cheetah is faster than an amped WW (who you assert is a trans). Blitzed Superman. Why is that a low showing? For that to happen, you have to show that Cheetah is slow.

If Cheetah is slow, then it's PIS (how can a slower character tag a faster character?)

If Cheetah is fast, then...well, she's just that fast.

Wonder Woman defeated her right after that and admitted she was holding back. Are you telling me WW is faster than Flash?

Originally posted by carver9
I agree. Let's get off that topic. Hulk punch Flash in the face 10/10 for the victory.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And how will he punch Flash?

Like he punch everyone who has super speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman defeated her right after that and admitted she was holding back. Are you telling me WW is faster than Flash?

Lol. Cheetah was talking to her - the instant Cheetah became serious, and went for the (literal) jugular, WW was owned by a single attack:

http://i.imgur.com/AyAWnky.jpg

Great tactics and fighting skills there, WW. You'll make a fine Goddess of War.

Edit: she was also tagging WW just fine. Note the scratches WW has all over her body. WW was unable to tag her (note how she leaps out of the way of the tree.

Poor choice, carver.

Originally posted by carver9
I see it like this. If you're going to debate primarily off of powerset, it's pointless providing scans...irrelevant. The only reason scans should be posted is to provide nothing but their highest showings and go from their. So ABHI posting scans of Surfer being punched to sleep is pointless since it can easily be brought up that he can phase through all physical attacks. Surfer should be able to beat any Herald 10/10 due to the bfr option. Superman vs Thor...Superman should win 10/10 due to speed. Hell, Gladiator should get a 10/10 as well. Remember, we ignore comics. The only thing we do here now is debate primarily off of powerset. An argument can be made of Thor pulling a 10/10 against HP Doomsday unless someone can provide scans of Doomsday countering bfr. Instantaneous bfr. Powerset here. Not comics.

Originally posted by carver9
What if your powerset include hitting a person with a blast bfring him?

For Surfer to lose any battles by ko or death, he would deliberately have to forget that he had the bfr option and the ability to see the future.

That doesn't sound like Surfer, at all..

In order for your argument to hold weight, all of his opponents would have to have instantaneous reactions...at least the ones that were capable of punching him clean in the face, or your scenario is a high showing that you are using as a norm. Please don't let me name who's all damaged him in combat or outright koed him.

Surfer phasing and seeing the future are viable tactics that he could use in a forum provided that they are practical. The problem is, they aren't. That's why he won't use them in battle. It literally takes Surfer at least several seconds if not a minute to peer into the future. Even then, it is not always perfect. Also, it takes seconds to phase. So if someone launches a microsecond attack then Surfer won't have time to phase.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer phasing and seeing the future are viable tactics that he could use in a forum provided that they are practical. The problem is, they aren't. That's why he won't use them in battle. It literally takes Surfer at least several seconds if not a minute to peer into the future. Even then, it is not always perfect. Also, it takes seconds to phase. So if someone launches a microsecond attack then Surfer won't have time to phase.

No one is taking to you.

#Rekt

Using Cheetah to downplay flash 😆

I know right😂