Originally posted by Adam Grimes
When you use WWH you're limited to drag fts from that specific arc.If I made the thread 'Trial by fire Flash vs V&V Despero', the same would apply. It's not a vendetta against Hulk if that's what you're implying, lol.
WBH appeared in the arc. 😐
If you made a thread with Flash, ALL his fts are available to him, not just an arc. Flash gets to fight to full capacity. Do you not see the difference here?
Originally posted by h1a8
There are different versions of Hulk. The op decides the rules. If the op says WWH then Hulk is limited to only that version. Otherwise the op would describe the actual limits of Hulk. He can't go WB. In this thread the op said that Barry can and will use ALL of his abilities as shown in the comics.
WWH is the same Hulk you...
WWH can up and down his power level. They are one of the same. Anyone who read Pak writing would know this.
Originally posted by carver9What about DOS and HP Doomsday? Or DOV Spectre? Or OWAW/New52/DOS/Kingdom Come Superman
WBH appeared in the arc. 😐If you made a thread with Flash, ALL his fts are available to him, not just an arc. Flash gets to fight to full capacity. Do you not see the difference here?
Hulk isn't the only one that gets this treatment.
Shit, you should be happy they're actually using a specifically powerful version of your favorite character, working at heights he he has achieved in that one major run in the last 30 years or some shit.
Originally posted by carver9If I, as the OP, wanted that only the Trial By Fire arc feats could be used for Flash, that's how it is.
WBH appeared in the arc. 😐If you made a thread with Flash, ALL his fts are available to him, not just an arc. Flash gets to fight to full capacity. Do you not see the difference here?
Not sure why it's so hard to grasp.
Originally posted by Juntai
What about DOS and HP Doomsday? Or DOV Spectre? Or OWAW/New52/DOS/Kingdom Come SupermanHulk isn't the only one that gets this treatment.
Shit, you should be happy they're actually using a specifically powerful version of your favorite character, working at heights he he has achieved in that one major run in the last 30 years or some shit.
People don't use DOS Doomsday fts for HP? I'm sure I've seen it on multiples of occasions?
Kingdom Supes isn't the same Supes. Why are you bringing up alternate characters? I never said we should mix different characters together.
Originally posted by carver9
People don't use DOS Doomsday fts for HP? I'm sure I've seen it on multiples of occasions?Kingdom Supes isn't the same Supes. Why are you bringing up alternate characters? I never said we should mix different characters together.
That's not what he meant.
You can use DOS feats for HP because he's a more powerful version. You can't use them the other way around.
Originally posted by carver9
Juntai...The scene with Doomsday and the GL ring, you're referencing it as a DOS ft when the showing happened AFTER DOS.
No. Like Grimes said, it was before. LONG before.
Originally posted by carver9Hunter Prey is a later, more powerful version of Doomsday.
People don't use DOS Doomsday fts for HP? I'm sure I've seen it on multiples of occasions?Kingdom Supes isn't the same Supes. Why are you bringing up alternate characters? I never said we should mix different characters together.
Originally posted by leonidas
Basic knowledge still applies. The angrier Hulk gets, the stronger he gets. Flash can either end it as quickly as possible - IMP etc, or he can speed time up until Hulk's anger dissipates. Which is a better solution? Let the engine crunch!
Wait, it's not working? The femtosecond he realises this, he can crunch the next scenario. Hulk's fist is about to hit him? Either Hulk has faster reaction than him, or he's stupid enough to let himself be hit. Or, it's PIS.
Your point about carv (and your)'s about the IMP, and THE most impressive being he has taken down with it, is moot.
Barry is a police scientist. Quite familiar with scientific concepts (and more importantly, relativity). He KNOWS how fast he is going - hell, he even gives these concepts a name, Flash Fact (or at least, Wally does). So he's NOT lying about the mass he's packing.
So if he hits someone, and they don't explode into dust - is that a low feat for the IMP, or a high feat for the victim? If I take a 20kg dumbbell, and smack someone in the face with it, at speed - is it a low feat for the 20kg, or is the punchee really that damn tough? If neither, then it is PIS that said person tanked my punch, no? Because plot demanded that they don't disappear in a puff of blood.
So its not double standard when arguing against carv. For the IMP to be ineffective, either the Flashes are ALWAYS lying, their opponents are that tough, or its PIS. Barry/Wally aren't boasters, like Johnny Storm. They don't say things to trash talk their opponents - note how every instance of the IMP, it's either narration or internal monologues.
Superspeed (like superintelligence) is the hardest superpower to effectively show and quantify - especially at the levels seen by the Flashes. Why else would they be capped for BZs?
As for Barry not killing, he led Death STRAIGHT to Darkseid. He vapourised the AM's armour (and the AM). Pre-Crisis (and Barry wasn't affected by teh Crisis, was he?) he killed Zoom. He seen death.
Originally posted by carver9
Its Hulk who had full capacity taken off of him. In the same chapter of WWH he went World Breaker. Limitations was still placed on him whereas we have Flash fighting at femtoseconds and doing limitless calculations which was all done in separate books.
world breaker is allowed to use all of his weapons along with his strength
Originally posted by carver9
Juntai...The scene with Doomsday and the GL ring, you're referencing it as a DOS ft when the showing happened AFTER DOS.
No it didn't.