WBHulk vs. Barry Allen.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Withstand temperatures of the sun?

Carver you are not talking about your cannon fodder mindless ones right?

Right now I'm talking about canon fodder Zoom.

Originally posted by carver9
Right now I'm talking about canon fodder Zoom.

Don't play dum dum

Who are you referring to withstand temperatures like the sun?

Originally posted by Juntai
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First off, your scans don't work.

Also, that's cool, but . . .

Let's see Nemesis hang reality in suspension because of his combat speed.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3494468
Mind you, that's the slowest Flash. And among the slowest of the speedsters in general. Even Supes, Wonderwoman, Max, Jesse and Johnny, etc are typically faster than Jay.

Wally auto snapping into superspeed notices and then begins fighting Savitar's ninjas so fast reality suspends;
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/savnin.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/savnin2.jpg

Wally is borrowing speed here, but its so he can have 0-Lightspeed acceleration to keep up with Zoom. They've circled the Earth a dozen times, and throw punches with each 1000 miles. 25k miles around the planet, is over 300 swings in less than a second while running nearly twice the speed of light. Once again, reality is frozen to them across the globe.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113402/3647633-flash-only-01.jpg

Punches Alchemy 100s of times per second. These appear as single strikes on panel.
http://imgur.com/a/8nlZP

100 love-taps in a second.
http://i.imgur.com/rKmTk1x.jpg

Wally vs Zoom, from a standoff, he takes off and Wally reacts and runs him down, Zoom hits him with vibrating hand, and Wally fires back, already moving at lightspeed, he ends the fight in less than one trillionth of a second.
http://imgur.com/a/Hgvem

But you're right, Nemesis has better combat speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did this guy just said that Flash is slowed than a street leveler?

Heck, even mach 1 Flash could throw hundreds of thousands of punches in one panel.

This guy is best ignored at this point.

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That's not how this works. We cant share feats between Mindless Ones.

Hell, even BiBeast et al were just recreations, wished into being. We can't feat share.

Originally posted by carver9
Full warp state plus increased durability? Ok, you're going to have to prove that he becomes more durable when moving super fast, to the point of withstanding a white dwarf star. You're making up stuff.

Scientifically speaking, that's not surprising. In Zoom's timeframe all that momentum gets delivered to him over a MUCH longer period than it would in "real time" so he has lots of time to deal with the impulse. Still, apparently the mass of a white dwarf star is too much even for him to handle. Oh, don't worry; I know you don't like science so the ACTUAL proof is an explicit statement on panel by the person who is not a liar and who would know best.

When did WBH melt beings who have withstood stars? Scans.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
As much as I dislike forum Flash and anything that goes towards the bullshit his power spreads... what could he have actually done in that situation?

Punch through the construct and stop Superman's punch? Move everyone out of the way before Superman moved his hand a couple feet in a full force punch? Threw crisco all over the shield so Superman slipped all around?

It's not the best Flash speed feat, but it isn't exactly bad either. Flash was out of the way of the punch in any case. That was also everyday Flash that people pretend doesn't exist in favor of a dozen or so feats.

*Insert hair short of lightspeed scans that actually meant trillions of times lightspeed*

See, pis anyway!

Well yeah that is the problem. We've had instances where Flash moves so fast Superman can't even perceive him. There is one comic where Flash disarms a kryptonite bomb and Superman doesn't even see him do it but concludes(correctly) that it must of been Flash.

Yet in scans like that one with Supes and GL, it's like the difference isn't that massive.

Originally posted by carver9
H1, we use on panel showings as evidence. If you want to ignore that then I can do the same. Due to Hulk being as strong as he is, he is easily capable of running FTL speeds. Hulk blitz flash for the win due to having infinite strength with infinite leg muscle. This guy nearly overpowered an Abstract and he wasn't even close to his WBH levels. Speed blitz for the win.

Muscle strength doesn't equal perception. Even when Carter makes a valid point, he fails.

Jokes on you morons who uploaded and posted lots of scans to prove FLASH actualy has combat speed feats

Cancel your weekend plans now cause word on the street is that Hawkman can't fly

Originally posted by Magnon
The proof is in the same scan. Zoom was hit by the mass of a white dwarf star. We know this because Flash is not a liar.

Scientifically speaking, that's not surprising. In Zoom's timeframe all that momentum gets delivered to him over a MUCH longer period than it would in "real time" so he has lots of time to deal with the impulse. Still, apparently the mass of a white dwarf star is too much even for him to handle. Oh, don't worry; I know you don't like science so the ACTUAL proof is an explicit statement on panel by the person who is not a liar and who would know best.

So all of the times Zoom has been dropped while moving at top speeds is PIS? Also, make a thread with Zoom speed durability vs heavy hitters punches.

The more carver ignores my points, the more he dodges and thus, looks like the coward he is.

Stop feat sharing. That's not how we do things around here.

Originally posted by carver9
So all of the times Zoom has been dropped while moving at top speeds is PIS? Also, make a thread with Zoom speed durability vs heavy hitters punches.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The more carver ignores my points, the more he dodges and thus, looks like the coward he is.

Stop feat sharing. That's not how we do things around here.

Next auto response: "scans".

Originally posted by Magnon
Taking a white dwarf star punch without dying is definitely a high-end feat for Zoom. Doesn't mean he cannot have low ones, as well. His ability to tank a punch is of course variable since his "durability" is not innate but rather dependent on how and at what level he's using his powers at the time of being hit.

Zoom durability has always been his hindrance. Again, make a thread if you think otherwise. Now apply real world logic to that scene that you're describing as White dwarf punch.

Why should we?

You can't have it both ways.

Either you use RL logic, in which case Barry hits with mass approaching infinity....

Or you use comic book logic, where we trust Barry's word at face value and accept it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well yeah that is the problem. We've had instances where Flash moves so fast Superman can't even perceive him. There is one comic where Flash disarms a kryptonite bomb and Superman doesn't even see him do it but concludes(correctly) that it must of been Flash.

Yet in scans like that one with Supes and GL, it's like the difference isn't that massive.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
'You can't share fts between the same character but I can do it with zoom!

Now I'll throw a red herring at Adam to change subject, I hope it works!' -Carv

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Originally posted by carver9
Full warp state plus increased durability? Ok, you're going to have to prove that he becomes more durable when moving super fast, to the point of withstanding a white dwarf star. You're making up stuff.

Originally posted by h1a8
Barry dies when WB thunderclaps or stomps the ground. I'm not sure if Dcnu Barry can speed steal or Impact.

Originally posted by h1a8
Barry dies when WB thunderclaps or stomps the ground. I'm not sure if Dcnu Barry can speed steal or Impact.