If God created everything who created God?

Started by MF DELPH10 pages

But particles don't produce energy, correct?

How are particles produced?

Originally posted by MF DELPH
But particles don't produce energy, correct?

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
How are particles produced?

That depends on the particle.

The most common example is firing a high-energy photon (energy carrier) into a dense core like a nucleus which results in the creation of an electron-positron pair. More energy-requiring particles are created through high-energy quark annihilation which can—for instance—produce a gluon that quickly decays into a top- quark and antiquark.

Either way there is always a particle carrying the energy.

Ok.

So it takes energy to produce a particle, and particles are the base of matter, correct? Electrons, protons, etc., all have mass which requires energy (since mass is a form of energy)?

So energy (mass) is the primary requirement of matter, but matter isn't energy, it's simply made of particles which get their volume from mass/energy?

How you define matter?

Protons and neutrons are made up by quarks. The proton by two up quarks and one down quark, and the neutron by one up quark and two down quarks. The electron is a lepton. So with two types of quarks and one lepton you can build all conventional matter.

But there are six quarks and six leptons. All of these have mass, but they don't all make up atoms. Furthermore, quarks and leptons are what is known as point particles—meaning that they don't have volume. To complicate it even further there are elementary bosons—also point particles—that function as force carriers between particles that also have mass.

For the intent of this conversation, we'll stick to ordinary matter, as in the particles which make up atoms with chemical properties. I'm not versed enough in things like dark matter or other virtual particles. You're better versed than me in contemporary physics.

Then aside from elementary particles not having volume it's correct.

So mass, but no volume?

Yes.

By Astner (sometime yesterday)
Energy cannot be created nor destroyed

(Since we are in the religion forums)

Fish and chips>> hot rocks.

With these types of questions, it makes me wonder what goes through a Christian's mind. Obviously there is no good answer to this question. If everything needs a cause, then God too would need one.

The necessity for everything needing to be caused by something is based on deterministic principal, and I believe a higher power such as God would transcend the determinism of the physical universe.

Ergo, vis-a-vis, concordantly.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ergo, vis-a-vis, concordantly.

The idiocy in this thread made my sinful self squeal.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The necessity for everything needing to be caused by something is based on deterministic principal, and I believe a higher power such as God would transcend the determinism of the physical universe.

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You realize that you could substitute "Invisible Flying Pink Unicorn" for God in that sentence and it would be logically equivalent, right?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
You realize that you could substitute "Invisible Flying Pink Unicorn" for God in that sentence and it would be logically equivalent, right?

No, it actually wouldn't 👆

I sense you want to delve deeply into this topic. Feel free to do so.

Originally posted by Stigma
No, it actually wouldn't 👆

Wow, that's a pretty brilliant argument. I'm a believer now. 👆