If God created everything who created God?

I didn't do any of those things, pal. All I said was:

Not if the invisible pink unicorn created the universe. This "first cause" argument only makes remote sense if we're talking in the vaguest deistic sense, but EmperorDMB is talking about the Judeo-Christian God.

This is one of the most innocuous debate posts you'll ever find on KMC. I'm struggling to figure out which part of it you thought was rude. I guess I used "invisible pink unicorn", but that's just a reductio ad absurdum, and a reasonable one to illustrate my point. I did say that your point didn't make any sense, which you tell people 5232 times on KMC. Heck, you said that to Azronger like a few hours ago.

I wasn't saying that it specifically proved the Judeo-Christian God though, merely countering the notion that the first cause argument contradicts itself.

And after seeing how you treat religious points of view time and time again, I concluded you were mocking me. If I was wrong to assume that, that's on me, and either way I apologize for that reaction.

I'm aware that I'm not perfect, recently had an experience where I questioned my worth as a person, and came out of it revolted by human arrogance, and even though I can never be exempt from that part of human nature, I'm making a conscious effort to push myself away from that type of behavior, and realize I've been a dick and made a lot of mistakes in the past.

If you really want to have a positive impact, then attacking people when you perceive a flaw really isn't the best way to do that at all. Consider it the difference between constructive and destructive criticism.

I am legitimately sorry for being a dick, and hope we can move past this. But if your next post is just you attacking me and trying to make me feel terrible about myself as a person, then I'm done with this conversation.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I wasn't saying that it specifically proved the Judeo-Christian God though, merely countering the notion that the first cause argument contradicts itself.

Well if you think my argument is a strawman, you can just say that, no personal slight needed. But I assumed that the ultimate goal of your case was related to Christianity, since...well, you're a Christian.

And after seeing how you treat religious points of view time and time again, I concluded you were mocking me. If I was wrong to assume that, that's on me, and either way I apologize for that reaction.

Even if I mocked religious points of view (where?), why can't I do that? You mock political beliefs you don't like, including Jmang just pointing out that you shouldn't use a phrase that makes fun of a suicide victim. I wasn't even mocking you personally, I was just disagreeing with you, which I think I'm allowed to do.

I'm aware that I'm not perfect, recently had an experience where I questioned my worth as a person, and came out of it revolted by human arrogance, and even though I can never be exempt from that part of human nature, I'm making a conscious effort to push myself away from that type of behavior, and realize I've been a dick and made a lot of mistakes in the past.

If you really want to have a positive impact, then attacking people when you perceive a flaw really isn't the best way to do that at all. Consider it the difference between constructive and destructive criticism.

I am legitimately sorry for being a dick, and hope we can move past this. But if your next post is just you attacking me and trying to make me feel terrible about myself as a person, then I'm done with this conversation.

Well I accept your apology, but I don't really accept the conditions on it, because I didn't do anything at all to attack you here. I think it's unreasonable that you expect a high level of civility from everyone else (even though I wasn't even being uncivil) but then gladly on on rants about other people's beliefs.

I'm sure you're going through difficult times and maybe that's clouding things, but of course I hope you get through it alright.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well if you think my argument is a strawman, you can just say that, no personal slight needed. But I assumed that the ultimate goal of your case was related to Christianity, since...well, you're a Christian.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Even if I mocked religious points of view (where?), why can't I do that? You mock political beliefs you don't like, including Jmang just pointing out that you shouldn't use a phrase that makes fun of a suicide victim.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I wasn't even mocking you personally, I was just disagreeing with you, which I think I'm allowed to do.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well I accept your apology, but I don't really accept the conditions on it, because I didn't do anything at all to attack you here. I think it's unreasonable that you expect a high level of civility from everyone else (even though I wasn't even being uncivil) but then gladly on on rants about other people's beliefs.

And again, my mockery of other people is something I realized the hypocrisy and lack of justification for in the past few days, and it's something I'm looking to change about myself.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm sure you're going through difficult times and maybe that's clouding things, but of course I hope you get through it alright.

Well, that's good. College is going to change you, probably for the better.

Unless it's a libtarded SJW school amirite? *smug smile*

The University of Texas at Austin is a pretty liberal school, but luckily I haven't seen much SJW shit.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Yeah, that's pretty much bullshit. Something that exists outside of time can't have causal properties because you need a chain of events for actions to occur, meaning a passage of time. I think the real answer is that there's no such thing as non-existence, as in there never was "nothing". Existence has always existed, just not necessarily in the configuration it is in today. The universe didn't come from nothing, it's just that what we inhabit in the 'now' is simply one of many possible configurations of what has always been, and 'now' isn't static, because 'then' wasn't static, and neither is 'what will be'.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The University of Texas at Austin is a pretty liberal school, but luckily I haven't seen much SJW shit.

"Liberal Texas."

Originally posted by NewGuy01
"Liberal Texas."

I was just being facetious. That being said, I'm legitimately not surprised that you're not having SJW problems in Texas. Austin isn't California.

Well I mean I ran into a lot of that shit in high school and at my college orientation, so I'm a bit surprised I haven't seen it much at my college.

There was a protest against open carry with the slogan "cocks not glocks" where a huge ass mob of college students were throwing around dildos.

That sounds awesome. I'll stick with a glock myself, though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That sounds awesome. I'll stick with a glock myself, though.

I do remember when I was in high school and I was riding home on the bus and one of the students had a gun in his book bag. But this wasn't like a Columbine type situation, he carried with it for protection because the way he had to walk home was potentially dangerous.

It was an odd thing to have happen and it got awkward obviously once he explained to us why he had it.

I wonder what Trump's presidency says about the existence of God? Man, that guy must be a douche.

Originally posted by Surtur
I wonder what Trump's presidency says about the existence of God? Man, that guy must be a douche.

God or Trump?

God.

So God either hates a lot of people on the planet or really really loves Trump. I wonder which is worse for people?

Originally posted by Surtur
God.

So God either hates a lot of people on the planet or really really loves Trump. I wonder which is worse for people?

I believe when we die, our bodies transcend the physical universe, and we reach a perfect understanding of how we've lived our lives, which is more/less painful/pleasant depending on how good/bad we've been. I believe that that is where the punishment for man's sin comes from, and I believe that understanding allows us to purge ourselves of our remaining imperfection to allow us to reach a perfect state of existence in heaven, with a pure loving connection with God and other dead people for eternity.

So ultimately, I believe the pain of this world becomes a trivial thing after death, but we carry the individuality we've forged in this world.

And ultimately aside from sharing teachings of love and transcendence and the dangers of pride, I believe the purpose of Jesus coming down to Earth was to put himself in our shoes, feel the pain we go through, and that for the three days when he died he was subjected to hell for three days to feel a pain beyond what the entirety of humanity would ever have to feel.

I get that you don't have virtually any respect for religion, but I don't think God is a dick.

I don't think God is truly a dick either. Sort of like how I don't think Pre Crisis Superman is a dick, fictional characters in the end aren't dicks, the people that create them are.

So you see we, us humans, created this crazy psychopathic version of a deity and..people are surprised we elected Trump? Haa.