OWAW Superman vs Odin...

Originally posted by Juntai
It's already been proven. It's in the pudding.

Blasts shaking reality while existing in all 9 realms at the World Tree vs Seth.
Sutur sets all the 9 realms on Fire while at the World tree.
Odin able to sever a 'universe' from the 9, while at the world tree.

While away from the world tree, he can't put Thanos down, and has to prep just to run out of gas against Galactus after a headbutt. And in general has no other feats comparable to those while at the World Tree.

The new gods are stating as this due to proximity in the comics. Odins blasts have shaken reality outside near the world tree. See the difference ? You're doing crazy reasoning without any solid proof just theories. You need to prove your theories.

Originally posted by Juntai
Clearly in several stories the world tree is the link to this level of destruction. And absent the tree, these feats don't exist.

You need to prove it isn't the case.

I am not making any claims here. You are trying to attribute New Gods canon to Marvel. You are trying to say Seth and Odin were secretly attacking the Tree when the whole point was that Seth wanted him out of the way to have his way with the tree... You are trying to say these attacks were only causing dead galaxies to be destroyed when the tree was attacked.

What am I supposed to prove here? You can't even show the tree being attacked. You can't answer why Odin was still able to manipulate the universe after being ripped from the tree. We've all but forgotten Surtur too. Not to mention Odin one shotting Infinity who was ****ing up the universe.

No here is what needs to happen:
You need to bring scans from Enchantress attacking the tree with the axe. Then you need to compare this to Odin/Seth. Then you need to prove Odin and Seth were hitting the tree. Then you likely need to read some more appearances of the World Tree and show any sort of panel that supports your theory. Then you need more proof to show that the tree allows you to manipulate malleable universes from it. And all this needs to actually be clear.

I am open to being proven "wrong" (even though I'm only asking you to prove your case). I don't give a shit about the feats personally since they're meaningless, but the way you're going about it definitely needs more proof than "New Gods", and "Thanos".

Originally posted by Juntai
The Heven thing was well in the past.
He cut it from the world tree, severing it's natural link to the other realms. How much power does this require? Do you believe being at the world tree location was part of this feat?

The World Tree is a manifestation of the connection of the 9 realms to each other. Manipulating the World Tree to affect one of its universes is the same as manipulating a universe connected to the World Tree. Manipulating the World Tree requires a tremendous amount of power no matter how many ways you look at it.

Originally posted by Juntai

Surtur was also because he set the world tree on fire. Burning the 9 realms would destroy 616 alone. They're calling it multiverse, because of calling the realms universes. It's stupid, but it's still only 1 universe [616] and some pocket dimensions.. Each Marvel universe in the multiverse has it's own tree and Thor and realms etc. How much power does this require? Do you believe being at the tree and setting the tree on fire might have something to do with it?

The reason Surtur's fire no longer threatened the multiverse was because the lord of the Manchester gods had cut off the connection of Otherworld to Surtur.

Those same destructive energies were somehow manipulated by Odin and made it no longer a danger.

Originally posted by Juntai

As for Galactus, what showing? Who did he fight? What have they done on panel?

Galactus goes rounds against both Scrier and Other then the battle is interrupted by Thor and Surfer.

Here's the rest with the heralds interrupting.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/339ugdh.jpg
http://oi65.tinypic.com/29bf5eq.jpg
http://oi63.tinypic.com/sgk77a.jpg

This is B and T Odin vs Sundipped OWAW Superman estated by the OP.

Superman wins

He will outperform thanos and defeat Odin

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Wait so if Odin drops heralds like fleas on BT makes him skyfather untouchable level and OWAW Superman drops trans probes like fleas what does it mean?

Oh I see, it makes BT Odin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWAW Superman. Makes sense.

Let the double standard begin!

👆

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Then link those stories. Hell I even pointed you to one.

I am not making any claims here. You are trying to attribute New Gods canon to Marvel. You are trying to say Seth and Odin were secretly attacking the Tree when the whole point was that Seth wanted him out of the way to have his way with the tree... You are trying to say these attacks were only causing dead galaxies to be destroyed when the tree was attacked.

What am I supposed to prove here? You can't even show the tree being attacked. You can't answer why Odin was still able to manipulate the universe after being ripped from the tree. We've all but forgotten Surtur too. Not to mention Odin one shotting Infinity who was ****ing up the universe.

No here is what needs to happen:
You need to bring scans from Enchantress attacking the tree with the axe. Then you need to compare this to Odin/Seth. Then you need to prove Odin and Seth were hitting the tree. Then you likely need to read some more appearances of the World Tree and show any sort of panel that supports your theory. Then you need more proof to show that the tree allows you to manipulate malleable universes from it. And all this needs to actually be clear.

I am open to being proven "wrong" (even though I'm only asking you to prove your case). I don't give a shit about the feats personally since they're meaningless, but the way you're going about it definitely needs more proof than "New Gods", and "Thanos".

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Didn't you used to harp about real world time power scaling and all that jazz? Now things don't count because it happened chronologically in the past for certain characters? The point stands that the feat was performed and highlighted in VERY RECENT comic world time.

The World Tree is a manifestation of the connection of the 9 realms to each other. Manipulating the World Tree to affect one of its universes is the same as manipulating a universe connected to the World Tree. Manipulating the World Tree requires a tremendous amount of power no matter how many ways you look at it.

Surtur had consolidated enough power to ENGULF ALL REALITIES.

The reason Surtur's fire no longer threatened the multiverse was because the lord of the Manchester gods had cut off the connection of Otherworld to Surtur.

Those same destructive energies were somehow manipulated by Odin and made it no longer a danger.

B13 was downloading his entire persona into a thousand million vectors simultaneously to wage war on omni-temporal fronts to Imperiex while he conquered the universe in far future.
He was doing it in every timeline possible.
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http://i.imgur.com/Y4uWH9Q.jpg
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Waverider even states him as "Ravager of timelines".

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He battled the Other and Scrier. Here Oblivion describes the kind of multiversal damage the two would create if they finally collide.

Galactus goes rounds against both Scrier and Other then the battle is interrupted by Thor and Surfer.

Here's the rest with the heralds interrupting.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/339ugdh.jpg
http://oi65.tinypic.com/29bf5eq.jpg
http://oi63.tinypic.com/sgk77a.jpg

Slow down sparky.

[quote]Pure hyperbole from Oblivion, he said that the creation will be destroyed in a heartbeat if Other and Scrier fought. Scrier himself said it only endangered the universe.

http://i.imgur.com/MQ2pCKn.jpg

Here is the real kicker, Oblivion isn't even sure if what happened was actual or an illusion by Scrier.

http://i.imgur.com/ubFx2El.jpg

Making his words null and void completely.

Odin and Galactus are both below B13 in power.

Superman made Imperiex powered B13 his *****.

There is no contest here.

Abhi where is your on panel proof to back the claims you just made ?

Lol.

Abhi.. Scrier commenting on the destruction of the universe does not invalidate Oblivion's narration. Reading incomprehension for the loss.
facepalm

And Oblivion's later comments are a play on narration style. He was directly speaking to the reader a la 4th wall chicanery.

Seriously.....

Also I replied to Juntai's comments because I felt as if his claim of Odin being somehow depowered and not the same as his classic self was completely baseless.

Not sure why you are getting butthurt about Odin and Galactus feats here.. Sad really.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol.

Abhi.. Scrier commenting on the destruction of the universe does not invalidate Oblivion's narration. Reading incomprehension for the loss.
facepalm

Yes, it does. Oblivion isn't even sure what's real or not and flat out says that the only thing reliable is Scrier's word.

And Oblivion's later comments are a play on narration style. He was directly speaking to the reader a la 4th wall chicanery.

Seriously.....

That's why it's even more unreliable. He made several hyperbolic comments and none of them have any proof whatsoever.

In the same fight where multiverse was supposed to be threatened, we see Scrier using planets as a weapon.

Color me unimpressed if that's how multiverse is ended.

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Also I replied to Juntai's comments because I felt as if his claim of Odin being somehow depowered and not the same as his classic self was completely baseless.

Not sure why you are getting butthurt about Odin and Galactus feats here.. Sad really.

Yeah, you have no clue whatsoever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it does. Oblivion isn't even sure what's real or not and flat out says that the only thing reliable is Scrier's word.

That's why it's even more unreliable. He made several hyperbolic comments and none of them have any proof whatsoever.

In the same fight where multiverse was supposed to be threatened, we see Scrier using planets as a weapon.

Color me unimpressed if that's how multiverse is ended.

Yeah, you have no clue whatsoever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman and Orion defeated Sivaa who was going to destroy multiverse too.

Guess they are just that powerful.

They were so large planets were like marbles to them.

Superman and Orion only beat S'ivaa by BFRing him into a tear in reality S'ivaa himself created. Other than that, even at abstract sizes Superman's attacks were doing no damage.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Superman and Orion went through a boom tube that increased their size to abstract levels. Regular Superman would literally be the size of an amoeba to S'ivaa.

They were so large planets were like marbles to them.

Superman and Orion only beat S'ivaa by BFRing him into a tear in reality S'ivaa himself created. Other than that, even at abstract sizes Superman's attacks were doing no damage.

Abhi when presented with overwhelming evidence.

😂

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi when presented with overwhelming evidence.

😂

Originally posted by One-Punch
Superman and Orion went through a boom tube that increased their size to abstract levels. Regular Superman would literally be the size of an amoeba to S'ivaa.

Sivaa was at that level too.

The boom tube just resized every being to New God level which is a higher level of existence.

They were so large planets were like marbles to them.

Superman and Orion only beat S'ivaa by BFRing him into a tear in reality S'ivaa himself created. Other than that, even at abstract sizes Superman's attacks were doing no damage.

Apparently pushing a being so powerful isn't a feat. But I digress.

How about FC Darkseid? Or Emperor Joker who superman punched a hole through?

Or Soulfire Darkseid?

You get the idea.

Being a far greater size outside of your own power and pushing back another being that size isn't that impressive. You ignored the fact his size was increased exponentially outside his own power. Pushing someone of your own size isn't impressive at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sivaa was at that level too.

The boom tube just resized every being to New God level which is a higher level of existence.

Apparently pushing a being so powerful isn't a feat. But I digress.

How about FC Darkseid? Or Emperor Joker who superman punched a hole through?

Or Soulfire Darkseid?

You get the idea.

Superman didn't do any pushing, it was all Orion. 🙂

Yeah, but it did absolutely no lasting damage to Darksied or Joker and they reformed instantly. At that level physical damage doesn't mean anything and Superman was powerless against them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OWAW sundipped Superman oneshot kills Odin.

The clown in the Superman Onezee has spoken, and like usual, he's wrong yet again.

Odin stomps on any version of OWAW, and it wouldn't be all that hard either.