Can Bernie Sanders really make college free?

Started by Tzeentch6 pages

He does not deny that he is literally retarded.

Re: Can Bernie Sanders really make college free?

No.

Not only will he make college free, sanders will magically make everyone smart and good looking just like he is

Socialism has failed in Venezuela

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/02/venezuela-is-out-of-food-heres-what-an-economic-collapse-really-looks-like.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261839/socialist-venezuela-out-food-out-power-out-hope-daniel-greenfield

"Venezuelans aren't feeling the Bern because Socialism has taken them from prosperity to hopeless misery. Who knew history would repeat itself over and over and over again. First the stores ran out of toilet paper. Then no more milk. Now the stores don't even have electricity.

Venezuelans are accustomed to severe shortages of cooking oil, diapers and other staple products. But those hoping to buy what they could find got a new unpleasant surprise this week.

They found malls dark and shuttered under a government electricity rationing regime.

"This is madness, this is not the solution!" said Nataly Orta, 48, at the locked gate of the Lider mall in eastern Caracas.

Authorities ordered more than 250 shopping centers to find other sources of power from 1:00 to 3:00 pm and again from 7:00 to 9:00 pm, for the next three months.

Also there's no food or medicine, so this just simplifies things.

According to figures published by newspaper El Tiempo, there is a shortage of 90% on staple goods such as flour, coffee, sugar, and meat, and 80% shortage in medicines."

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Socialism has failed in Venezuela

TBH It has failed everywhere it appeared.

So why do people want it so bad?

BDSM tendencies or just plain, old stupidity.

Socialism, for those who want to be the government's biatch.👆

"Socialism rests on compulsion. Its defining ethic is not equality, but coercion" -- Daniel Hannan.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Socialism has failed in Venezuela

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/02/venezuela-is-out-of-food-heres-what-an-economic-collapse-really-looks-like.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261839/socialist-venezuela-out-food-out-power-out-hope-daniel-greenfield

"Venezuelans aren't feeling the Bern because Socialism has taken them from prosperity to hopeless misery. Who knew history would repeat itself over and over and over again. First the stores ran out of toilet paper. Then no more milk. Now the stores don't even have electricity.

Venezuelans are accustomed to severe shortages of cooking oil, diapers and other staple products. But those hoping to buy what they could find got a new unpleasant surprise this week.

They found malls dark and shuttered under a government electricity rationing regime.

"This is madness, this is not the solution!" said Nataly Orta, 48, at the locked gate of the Lider mall in eastern Caracas.

Authorities ordered more than 250 shopping centers to find other sources of power from 1:00 to 3:00 pm and again from 7:00 to 9:00 pm, for the next three months.

Also there's no food or medicine, so this just simplifies things.

According to figures published by newspaper El Tiempo, there is a shortage of 90% on staple goods such as flour, coffee, sugar, and meat, and 80% shortage in medicines."

It's hard to take these sources seriously when they are obviously more concerned about pushing biased narrative then giving facts. Like what caused the economic turndown on Venezeula. Was it related to its socialist programs were was it part of a bigger problem.

Also the notion that socialism always fails is incorrect. There are a number of countries that have socialist programs that have been successful and their economies are successful. The USofA being one of them.

I guess this source is bias and pushing agenda.

http://www.businessinsider.com/venezuelas-food-shortage-keeps-getting-worse-2015-8

Also are you aware that Mexico is socialist? We don't have to look far to see it doesn't work.

I guess this source is pushing an agenda as well

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/venezuela-food-shortages/

I know you will listen to this source, because its a liberal one.

Interesting how you wont say they are pushing an agenda though here.

Just shows your immense double standard.

Eastern Europe, Cuba, North Korea etc. are all examples of failures of socialism.

The countries that have socialist programs rulling in them are simply on their way to collapse, they just don't know it yet.

Newjak is clueless...

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2013/sep/26/venezuela-food-shortages-rich-country-cia

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/looting-venezuela-shortages_us_55bcec4de4b0d4f33a0309a3

On topic

"The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem." -- Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize in Economics.

Sanders won't make college free, because there's no such thing as a free lunch. If you won't pay for it in tuition, you'll pay for it in taxes.

I think the Scandanavian model of 'socialism' is more what contemporary proponents of socialism think of versus Venezuela or Stalin's Russia. While not as extreme those models still have their issues. I think the U.S., which already has a few 'socialist' programs like welfare and Medicaid, could just expand Medicaid to encompass all, nationalize the medical industry so it's no longer for profit, and nationalize college education, without going much further beyond that. No need for a slippery slope when there's clearly defined objectives.

TI I wasn't saying that Venezuela wasn't having a food shortage just that it being solely the fault of them being socialist is what I find to be lacking facts.

Truthfully none of the other articles you posted said anything about socialism being the fault. Some even say the President is saying opposition in the food companies is trying to push him out by artificially lowering production. Which may or may not be the case. It seems like a far fetched idea but stranger things have happened.

What none of this does though is discredit the fact that socialist programs exist in very successful countries.

Also there are countries that are considered capitalist that are poor, barren, and have had similar problems to these failed socialist countries you are talking about. It's almost like Economics is a complex topic that has a lot of variables to talk about and look into.

So what you are saying is because the huff post does not say "socialism has caused this" you refuse to accept it
What planet were you born on?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So what you are saying is because the huff post does not say "socialism has caused this" you refuse to accept it
What planet were you born on?
I understand written mediums can be hard to understand sometimes but you need to learn to read responses better.

I never said the Huffington post was unbiased because it didn't say socialism was at fault. I said the other posts were biased because they jumped to the conclusion that socialism was to blame without offering any evidence. They for instance don't talk about if Venezuela has had these types of food shortages before. Some of the articles you posted mentioned that being the case. The articles you posted didn't offer any reasons why socialism was the cause of this issue just that is obviously was.

The other sources you posted were actually less biased because it seemed less like they were pushing an agenda and actually just reporting on the events and not making claims without evidence.

Wrong as usual. They have failed for their socialism.

Warnings😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Wrong as usual. They have failed for their solecisms.

Warnings😂

As usual you offer such constructive insight to complex problems.