Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialWell obviously if there is a food shortage there is a major problem in Venezuela which may or may not be due to its socialist nature.
You are right, the country has succeeded due to its economic principles.
I mean it could be or not be what we shouldn't do is make false accusations without actually investigating what is going there. More importantly people shouldn't blanket try to attack socialism over this considering it has also been proven successful in countries including America.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialPublic Education is one of the biggest Socialist programs in the world.
Medicare and Social Security is not socialism, it's social benefit that people pay into through taxes based on their work.
It is the very definition of socialism. It takes money from people regardless of whether they are using the service or not to help supply funds to pay for everyone's education even if they otherwise would not be able to afford. That's the very definition of socialist. It has wealth distribution, the rich paying for the poor, and it's state sponsored.
We also do things like regulate businesses which means we aren't a purely capitalist economy either. We have always been a blended model which is pretty much every country on earth.
Originally posted by Newjak
It's hard to take these sources seriously when they are obviously more concerned about pushing biased narrative then giving facts. Like what caused the economic turndown on Venezeula. Was it related to its socialist programs were was it part of a bigger problem.Also the notion that socialism always fails is incorrect. There are a number of countries that have socialist programs that have been successful and their economies are successful. The USofA being one of them.
Of course countries will have some socialized programs. Don't act like that makes it a socialist country.
He's doing what he normally does.
One thing about newjack he usual circular logic and finds crafty ways to manipulate what you say into something else entirely. No one even listens to him in any forum. He tired passing out warnings in a off topic thread for "trolling" when the entire thread is just jokes and bashing each other.
Originally posted by RaisenBut don't pretend that socialism is bad either. It stops any constructive criticism or points form being made.
Of course countries will have some socialized programs. Don't act like that makes it a socialist country.
Like I said almost every country in the world has a blended model. Even Venezuela engages in some capitalist trading. The same goes for China which is a self proclaimed communist state.
Let's actually try and find out what the cause of the food shortage is before quoting biased sites to promote an agenda.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Medicare and Social Security is not socialism, it's social benefit that people pay into through taxes based on their work.
No, those are socialistic programs.
Here is what socialism is: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
If the resources collected and put into a program for all the people, by the government, just so happens to be money, that's a socialistic program. It is socialism.
This also means things like your Fire Department and Police Department are socialistic programs. Socialism is in everything. Your city streets, traffic lights, highways, state colleges, social security, medicare, medicaid, and so forth.
Here is a list of most to all of the social programs in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States#Types_of_social_programs
Socialism "surrounds us and binds us."
The US is a Democratic-Socialist State. We have just slightly fewer socialistic programs than some other European countries. In fact, we may spend more money on socialist programs, per US Citizen, then some of those "more" socialistic European countries do on their own citizens.
Originally posted by dadudemonPretty much.
No, those are socialistic programs.Here is what socialism is: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
If the resources collected and put into a program for all the people, by the government, just so happens to be money, that's a socialistic program. It is socialism.
This also means things like your Fire Department and Police Department are socialistic programs. Socialism is in everything. Your city streets, traffic lights, highways, state colleges, social security, medicare, medicaid, and so forth.
Here is a list of most to all of the social programs in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States#Types_of_social_programs
Socialism "surrounds us and binds us."
The US is a Democratic-Socialist State. We have just slightly fewer socialistic programs than some other European countries. In fact, we may spend more money on socialist programs, per US Citizen, then some of those "more" socialistic European countries do on their own citizens.
DDM, I know the us has social programs.
However we are not flat out socialist.
I'm fine with small scale socialism, but giving out everything for free like Bernie wants to do just won't work. Just because Sweeden has some success does not mean it's going to work here.
Acting like many countries have not failed from it like many do here is also false.
A few small countries that are not on the level of the US have small success but it's not going to work here with liberals wanting to give all our money away to illegal immigrants and special interest groups.
Originally posted by Newjak
But don't pretend that socialism is bad either. It stops any constructive criticism or points form being made.Like I said almost every country in the world has a blended model. Even Venezuela engages in some capitalist trading. The same goes for China which is a self proclaimed communist state.
Let's actually try and find out what the cause of the food shortage is before quoting biased sites to promote an agenda.
I've never flat out said it's bad. It's all about levels. Too many social programs break countries. Just like predatory capitalism
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Seems to happen a lot, The people that usually defend socialism were the ones brought up on welfare of some sorts.The country was actually founded on hard work equals success.
you are mostly correct; but there are some of us who broke out of that mold. a few, but i'm one of them. mostly because my family had cultural pride in work and respected this country. my white grandfather came from denmark and fought the nazis. he spent three years in stalag 3 after he was shot down. he freaking escaped that pow camp.
my mexican granmother lived dirt poor with eleven siblings. her father and mother worked night and day on the farm they lived on. the man who owned the farm was mean but they were grateful to even have a place to live and be in a country with so many opportunities.
every generation we got a little better. i got my college degree. served this country and look forward to the day my daughter does better than me.
some poor people have the will. it's about mindset. this victimhood only begets people who will not succeed.
i remember talking to a man from india here. he owned a store. i asked him why so many indians own these types of businesses. he explained the caste system and said that when one person succeeds in this country they send word back to their village...and they come over here and do the same thing. a poor village where the system of government will never let them rise. yet they thrive here. they are often confused for muslims and treated with disdain. yeah, that's racism, but look at what so many of them accomplish.
we need to recognize that there are stupid and ignorant people, but you can succeed. success is the best revenge.