Silver Surfer vs Green Lantern

Originally posted by Surtur
That is uber, but then I'd have to ask how much more powerful then Hal Jordan and John Stewart you feel Kyle is? The reason I ask..Superman, the guy who needed help from a GL to move the Earth, has flat out been shown busting constructs made by both those characters.

It all comes down to Superman and how weak he is.

And you're a Superman fan?

So you don't see a potential issue when one GL can contain a "nova" and others can't contain a dude who doesn't have the power output of a nova?

In a similar vein, Kyle has created a shield around the moon that kept Ultraman locked in and unable to do anything. Yet even though I am unsure about specific Superman feats, I could of sworn I'd also seen *his* shields destroyed by Class 100's.

So what I'm beginning to see is that Kyle is potentially far above any normal GL, and thus using his feats when talking about GL's in general probably isn't the best thing to do.

😂

I like how getting beaten by Superman destroys any feat any character has in this guy's eye.

Kyle has himself said that he is not as powerful as Superman.

Again a conundrum. Oh boy.

Originally posted by Surtur
That is uber, but then I'd have to ask how much more powerful then Hal Jordan and John Stewart you feel Kyle is? The reason I ask..Superman, the guy who needed help from a GL to move the Earth, has flat out been shown busting constructs made by both those characters.

So you don't see a potential issue when one GL can contain a "nova" and others can't contain a dude who doesn't have the power output of a nova?

In a similar vein, Kyle has created a shield around the moon that kept Ultraman locked in and unable to do anything. Yet even though I am unsure about specific Superman feats, I could of sworn I'd also seen *his* shields destroyed by Class 100's.

So what I'm beginning to see is that Kyle is potentially far above any normal GL, and thus using his feats when talking about GL's in general probably isn't the best thing to do.

Is a space cheese feat that you want to compare to a vs feat.

Superman has been ko by a gas station and a supernova in the face. One happened on a battle vs Doomsday the other one was a complete space cheese.

Surfer suffers from the same effect, his space cheese feats are awesome but as soon as he enters on vs mode the same effect happens to him.

I don't see any problem with it, because that is how comics work.

Every hero /villain has space cheese feats just to crumble at some point on a vs feat. Is like a hierarchy to mantain.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It all comes down to Superman and how weak he is.

And you're a Superman fan?

The same situation here, only much more limited mentally and not being taken seriously as a Superman fan at all.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
No. Silver surfer has respectable feats. But if you look at the gls feats they actually seem bigger. On this particular aspect

Just Kyle creates a shield that contains a nova explosion and overloading OA to destroy it? Come on. That is ubber.
That is just TWO feats of the many posted. I think the evidence is pretty clear to me.

But, the two feats you named are shield and hard light construct feats, not necessarily energy projection. Even then, I don't see how they're above defeating an IG user with a blast, or matching the energy output of an Eternity level being.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Remember Shruku on herochat, who was in ninja-mode considered a Superman fan, only to be run off the boards for months by Jelly once he was exposed as being a Marvel fan?

The same situation here, only much more limited mentally and not being taken seriously as a Superman fan at all.

"Hey, Kyle contained a supernova. "

" PIS. He was beaten by Superman. "

" Silver Surfer destroyed a planet which is far less than a sun exploding. "

" Hey remember Thor knocking him the **** out in one hit? "

" So what? ".

The double standards are hilarious.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't think Surfer is far above Hal/Kyle, and I don't think the difference between the top tier heralds in general is that large. Depending on the story or writer any of the top tiers could defeat each other.

Well, you have yet to prove he is their equal?

But, the two feats you named are shield and hard light construct feats, not necessarily energy projection. Even then, I don't see how they're above defeating an IG user with a blast, or matching the energy output of an Eternity level being.

Still lying about the context, eh? Ruin didn't have the gems in his control.

Where did he matched the energy output of Never Queen? Who is entirely featless BTW? He temporarily powered Imperiocon which impressive doesn't matches the power of the heart as it was doing it for a very long time.

Tell us more about Surfer destroying planets fighting Great One again.

Guys make sure to keep it civil in here and to not include any personal insults in your posts

How is this not an energy projection feat?

Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't think Surfer is far above Hal/Kyle, and I don't think the difference between the top tier heralds in general is that large. Depending on the story or writer any of the top tiers could defeat each other.

But, the two feats you named are shield and hard light construct feats, not necessarily energy projection. Even then, I don't see how they're above defeating an IG user with a blast, or matching the energy output of an Eternity level being.

Deafiting IG user with a blast, Ahbi posted Hal matching up to Zero Hour Parallax. There is context behind Surfers fight with Rune (paritally the IG being incomplete, paritally Rune being inexprienced) but Hal matching ZH Parallax leads strong implications. In the end they are both Outliers.

Matching the energy output of Enerty Level being...Again Hal was mentioned as being a greater nexus of will power than the Central Battery itself.

Those are energy projection feats, and those match the feats you brought up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is this not an energy projection feat?

http://i.imgur.com/q0sQLW2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pCfhfA6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BGqOqDz.jpg

Thats a really good feat for Kyle.
He blows up the planet.
The explosion completely vaporizes the planet.
Survives the planets explosion.
And absorbs the remaining OAn energies.

Originally posted by "Id"
Deafiting IG user with a blast, Ahbi posted Hal matching up to Zero Hour Parallax. There is context behind Surfers fight with Rune (paritally the IG being incomplete, paritally Rune being inexprienced) but Hal matching ZH Parallax leads strong implications. In the end they are both Outliers.

Matching the energy output of Enerty Level being...Again Hal was mentioned as being a greater nexus of will power than the Central Battery itself.

Those are energy projection feats, and those match the feats you brought up.

But I have no issue with people thinking Hal or Kyle can match Surfer in energy projection.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Actually Rune had all the gems, and we've seen what even an in-experienced IG user could do. E.g., Nebula defeating the cosmic hierarchy with the IG, and BP putting up the best fight against God Doom. And contrary to abhi's (many false) claims, the gems were functioning just fine. Rune with just the time gem froze the 616 time-stream.

But I have no issue with people thinking Hal or Kyle can match Surfer in energy projection.

So another lie, huh?

Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't think Surfer is far above Hal/Kyle, and I don't think the difference between the top tier heralds in general is that large. Depending on the story or writer any of the top tiers could defeat each other.

But, the two feats you named are shield and hard light construct feats, not necessarily energy projection. Even then, I don't see how they're above defeating an IG user with a blast, or matching the energy output of an Eternity level being.

Nice feats but it seems there is context around them.

I would not say that all the IG users are the same or the they know how to control it's power, that pretty much is evident when you see Thanos wielding the IG vs Nebula wielfing the IG. In this particular case, this IG wielder seems to be struggling with it.

The other feat it looks like a feat that occurred not in the physical world, I tend to look at those feats as non feats regardless of the character. IMO

Originally posted by abhilegend
The comic explicitly States that Rune was only a transportation medium to Ultraverse for the gem and that Rune was never in control.

So another lie, huh?

And? Just because Rune was being influenced by the soul gem to escape doesn't mean he had no control over the infinity gems. He did after all, freeze the entire 616 time-stream with the time gem. Why don't you post those scans?

Originally posted by One-Punch
And? Just because Rune was being influenced by the soul gem to escape doesn't mean he had no control over the infinity gems. He did after all, freeze the entire 616 time-stream with the time gem. Why don't you post those scans?

So Time gem>Surfer>IG?

Adam Warlock with soul gem kicked his ass with five gems until soul gem itself betrayed him.

Rune wasn't in control. Any damage done to him is against his own durability.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Nice feats but it seems there is context around them.

I would not say that all the IG users are the same or the they know how to control it's power, that pretty much is evident when you see Thanos wielding the IG vs Nebula wielfing the IG. In this particular case, this IG wielder seems to be struggling with it.

The other feat it looks like a feat that occurred not in the physical world, I tend to look at those feats as non feats regardless of the character. IMO

The other feat I was referring to was the Impericon/Never Queen feat, which did happen on the physical plane.

I think the feat you're referring to was the Surfer's fight with the Great One, which took place inside the Great One's psychic dimension. But those planets and stars seen in the dimension were real physical stellar bodies, not psychic constructs.
They were all released back into the universe after Surfer killed the Great One.

To be honest, I don't like using these really high-end feats. Like Id said, heralds performing these types of feats are outliers. They don't really represent average power levels.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Actually, Nebula did pretty well with the IG, she was beating up the Marvel cosmic hierarchy with it.

The other feat I was referring to was the Impericon/Never Queen feat, which did happen on the physical plane.

I think the feat you're referring to was the Surfer's fight with the Great One, which took place inside the Great One's psychic dimension. But those planets and stars seen in the dimension were real physical stellar bodies, not psychic constructs.
They were all released back into the universe after Surfer killed the Great One.

😂

Another lie. Moondragon flat out said that they were just brainwaves and Surfer was there only in mind. His body was in the real world.

Moondragon released them in real world via mind gem.

You are quite adapt at lying, eh?

To be honest, I don't like using these really high-end feats. Like Id said, heralds performing these types of feats are outliers. They don't really represent average power levels.

😂

I mean, what does Moondragon says here Vince?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because the gems allowed him to do it. Mind you, Surfer was also caught in the same act before LT saved him.

So Time gem>Surfer>IG?

Adam Warlock with soul gem kicked his ass with five gems until soul gem itself betrayed him.

Rune wasn't in control. Any damage done to him is against his own durability.

BTW, there's no narration or statement saying Rune was cut off from the IG's power. It sounds like you're just trying to scrounge up any excuse to dismiss Surfer's feat. But that's not like you is it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I mean, what does Moondragon says here Vince?