Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Vader's Force powers would easily overwhelm Grievous.
I wouldn't say easily. Grievous's reconstruction was mostly designed to undermine the use of the Force. It's all whether or not Vader can keep his distance which will be hard if Grievous is constantly pressing him. In an all out, I think it really depends on the environment.
Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
I wouldn't say easily. Grievous's reconstruction was mostly designed to undermine the use of the Force. It's all whether or not Vader can keep his distance which will be hard if Grievous is constantly pressing him. In an all out, I think it really depends on the environment.
Well, in RotS, Kenobi can easily dispatch him with a Force push. Vader's powers are well above him. I would say, if not easily, not with much difficulty, either.
In Return of the Sith Obi Wan's defenses were being overwhelmed by Grievous. He only managed to land a force push after literally disarming him. Grievous has also dodged force pushes in narrow hall ways before.
Vader takes it because of the insane speed at which he can use TK ( crushing TIE fighters flying straight towards him ).
Originally posted by Syndicate
In Return of the Sith Obi Wan's defenses were being overwhelmed by Grievous. He only managed to land a force push after literally disarming him. Grievous has also dodged force pushes in narrow hall ways before.Vader takes it because of the insane speed at which he can use TK ( crushing TIE fighters flying straight towards him ).
Grievous was actually warned by Dooku not to engage any Council member in combat, thinking he wouldn't be able to defeat any of them. This notion is further evidenced by his defeat at Kenobi's hands. As I've said, it's not like Grievous was easy pickings for Kenobi, but he was no where near his most difficult duel, and not by a long shot.
Vader is a superior duelist to most of the PT Council members, and I think anyone can vouch for that. Grievous won't win against Vader.
Actually he likely was given that that was Kenobi's prime and it stated his defenses were being overwhelmed. Also you're ignoring the context of that statement. It was when Dooku was chiding Grievous. Also Grievous has already fought Mace Windu and stalemated him whilst hindered and I'm sure I don't need to tell you why the idea of Cin Drallig beating Grievous is laughable.
I actually don't think that Vader necessarily is a better duelist then most PT era characters. We've seen Vader's defense pierced multiple times in the EU and Old Ben managed to fight him to a standstill though I'm sure if the duel continued Vader would have won.
Originally posted by ares834
Nah. Vader wins. And easily too.He is, after all, confirmed to be a better duelist than Sidious. 🙂
Lol. xD True dat. But then again Kas'im could overwhelm Sidious's defenses. 😉
Originally posted by Syndicate
Actually he likely was given that that was Kenobi's prime and it stated his defenses were being overwhelmed. Also you're ignoring the context of that statement. It was when Dooku was chiding Grievous. Also Grievous has already fought Mace Windu and stalemated him whilst hindered and I'm sure I don't need to tell you why the idea of Cin Drallig beating Grievous is laughable.I actually don't think that Vader necessarily is a better duelist then most PT era characters. We've seen Vader's defense pierced multiple times in the EU and Old Ben managed to fight him to a standstill though I'm sure if the duel continued Vader would have won.
Whatever, defenses being overwhelmed for like 5 seconds until he regained his composure and got the upper hand. That's not really straining yourself to a high point. And there's no way Grievous was getting out of the Windu fight alive. And actually, Cin Dralling beating Grievous is not laughable, considering he was the Battlemaster and considering Kit Fisto gave Grievous a run for his money.
Seriously, Vader would defeat any of the PT Council members, with the exception of Yoda or Windu. He has demonstrated considerably more strength in the Force than any of them, and his lightsaber skills, while hindered by his injuries, are still extremely formidable. I don't think anyone would disagree.
He didn't regain his composure. He gave himself completely to the Force and imo entered a state of Oneness.
When your defenses are being overwhelmed and you're proclaimed to be THE master of the most defensive form things are not going well. He had to give himself completely to the Force to land a counter on Grievous that allowed him to gain the advantage in their fight.
Actually its outright stated that Grievous was more inconvenienced by their environment then Mace was and he still stalemated him actually going on the defensive after taking a few moments to completely analyze Mace's form.
You mean considering that Cin Drallig is featless aside from bing roflstomped by Anakin? Lol. Kit Fisto who is stated to be one of the the best swordsman in the history of the Jedi Order is stated to be Shaak Ti and Obi Wan's ( in Cestus Deception ) direct superior and has a form and fighting style that is well suited to fighting Grievous's own along with the fact that Grievous was injured at the time.
I don't doubt that Vader could defeat any of the Council Members aside from Mace or Yoda if it's an all out fight but we're talking about pure lightsaber skills. Formidable sure but so are the Council Members. I would considering Vader has had his guard pierced by no names on several occasions and was having trouble with Old Ben.