South Dakota's New Transgender Bathroom Bill

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think transgender people, particularly mtf transgender people have an even better reason to require a bathroom where they can feel safe than other women.

So just out of curiosity, if you have a 14 yr. old daughter would you be okay with 14 yr. old boys who identify as female showering with her? Being able to see her nude in the shower, and her able to see them nude, this would be okay with you?

Also what if legit females would feel unsafe and uncomfortable with a male being able to use their same locker rooms? Whose feelings of being unsafe and uncomfortable matter more?

Oh, and one more thing, what would you require for someone to be able to use a different bathroom? Merely identifying as that sex? Or only if they have had a full on surgical procedure changing their sex?

I completely agree with this bill. Girls shouldn't have to put up with a guy in the bathroom, just because he believes he's a woman. Let transgender use unisex or faculty bathrooms.

I do applaud South Dakota. It's nice to see some states take a stand against this kind of stuff. I can't help but respect them because I'm sure they know they will get a lot of flak over this. On the other hand I also find this to be a major bummer since I feel we've reached the ultimate levels of silliness given this needed to be spelled out in a bill.

I read a story about some self-entitled transgender kid who felt "excluded" because his school let him use the faculty bathrooms, but not the girls bathroom. He made a big it fuss about it, and it made the news.

See, stuff that like that pisses me off. The school tried to accommodate him, and all the stupid little shit could do was whine?

Originally posted by Lucius
I read a story about some self-entitled transgender kid who felt "excluded" because his school let him use the faculty bathrooms, but not the girls bathroom. He made a big it fuss about it, and it made the news.

See, stuff that like that pisses me off. The school tried to accommodate him, and all the stupid little shit could do was whine?

Yep. TThat's democratic voting base

So this issue is a little up in the air to me.

I can understand how some people would feel uncomfortable, especially women, with someone who clearly looks like the opposite sex in their bathrooms.

At the same point there are many transgendered people who look, or obviously are trying to look like the gender they identify as. That has to be equally uncomfortable for them to be told they need to change in a certain bathroom where they obviously also will get gawked at and probably ostracized for being different. I mean has anyone seen the photo of the FTM guy who has to go to the ladies room even though they absolutely look like a man. I bet those women probably were still looking at that guy funny and like a perv.

One thing I do find weird in this conversation is the talk of rape increasing. Or the idea of grown man changing with a 10 year old girl. I think this talk gets taken to the extreme here. I mean grown adult men already get changed with underage boys and there is the potential for rape there as well. I don't see anyone clamoring for boy's and men's separate bathrooms like they are for this. So it just seems weird to me that this is such a big selling point in this conversation.

I mean honestly most people in this situation are just going to use the bathroom the way it is intended.

Also to be fair I think we as a species should probably not make bathroom separation such a big deal and people should just be understanding and mature about this situation. Or just make it so every restroom and lovker area is single person only

Some people look like the gender they identify as and some do not. So, what then? We base this not only on what you identify as, but how well you can pull off appearing as that gender? I mean damn since some men just will plain never really look female. That's not fair to the ugly men who never in a million years could pull off a convincing female.

I also really can't agree with the logic of "well people don't want separate things for boys and men". Thing is, to me? A little boy and a grown man should NOT be able to be getting naked in the same damn room. When I was 7 I walked in on a grown man naked, washing himself in the locker room. He was hairy and nasty and was in the process of washing his god damn balls when I walked in and it DISTURBED the f*ck out of me. So I honestly would have zero problems with men not being able to shower with little kids.

So I find that is a way of ducking the issue, I just posted a topic about a dude creeping around watching young girls get changed. If someone did that to your daughter and then someone else said "well, you don't see people upset that men can shower with boys" how would that make you feel? I'd be shocked if it didn't make you want to respond with a swift kick in the nuts.

Also holy shit when it comes to kids a boy dressing as a female and using the female bathroom is going to get TORN TO SHREDS by the other kids. Do you honestly think that wouldn't happen? I shudder to even think about it, I know how cruel kids can be to other kids that seem to have nothing out of the ordinary about them, transgender kids will be cannon fodder.

Originally posted by Surtur
Some people look like the gender they identify as and some do not. So, what then? We base this not only on what you identify as, but how well you can pull off appearing as that gender? I mean damn since some men just will plain never really look female. That's not fair to the ugly men who never in a million years could pull off a convincing female.

I also really can't agree with the logic of "well people don't want separate things for boys and men". Thing is, to me? A little boy and a grown man should NOT be able to be getting naked in the same damn room. When I was 7 I walked in on a grown man naked, washing himself in the locker room. He was hairy and nasty and was in the process of washing his god damn balls when I walked in and it DISTURBED the f*ck out of me. So I honestly would have zero problems with men not being able to shower with little kids.

So I find that is a way of ducking the issue, I just posted a topic about a dude creeping around watching young girls get changed. If someone did that to your daughter and then someone else said "well, you don't see people upset that men can shower with boys" how would that make you feel? I'd be shocked if it didn't make you want to respond with a swift kick in the nuts.

Also holy shit when it comes to kids a boy dressing as a female and using the female bathroom is going to get TORN TO SHREDS by the other kids. Do you honestly think that wouldn't happen? I shudder to even think about it, I know how cruel kids can be to other kids that seem to have nothing out of the ordinary about them, transgender kids will be cannon fodder.

And you maybe okay with separate bathrooms for boys and men but have you ever heard or seen any big push for it. Yet for some reason is seems like a much bigger issue here when it comes to this topic.

It's not ducking the issue I think it pointing out an observation.

And that boy dressing as a girl could just as easily get the same treatment in the boys bathroom. Possibly worse considering our culture of men being physical bullies.

Like I said I think people just need to be way more mature about the topic of people using the restroom and being more supportive of other people.

Originally posted by Surtur
So just out of curiosity, if you have a 14 yr. old daughter would you be okay with 14 yr. old boys who identify as female showering with her? Being able to see her nude in the shower, and her able to see them nude, this would be okay with you?

Also what if legit females would feel unsafe and uncomfortable with a male being able to use their same locker rooms? Whose feelings of being unsafe and uncomfortable matter more?

Oh, and one more thing, what would you require for someone to be able to use a different bathroom? Merely identifying as that sex? Or only if they have had a full on surgical procedure changing their sex?

Honestly, I probably wouldn't be allright about it. Because, lets face it, parents aren t exactly thinking rationally when it comes to their kids.

But, the same question could be asked if your son turned out to be transgender, and was forced to share a bathroom with boys.

There need to be unisex bathrooms in addition to the standard male and female ones. Best solution I can think of.

So basically it's pandering to the few to the discomfort of the masses; however, there is an intricate formula. You appeal to enough small groups and sway others with things like freebies etc and you have a close majority. It's all about keeping your fingers on the pulse of the nation. Overall you won't represent the vast majority for most opinions but you garner their support with propaganda, manipulation, and appeal to emotion.
This is why the democratic candidates change stance so much. Look at hillary on her stance on the Iraq war, same sex marriage etc. It's all a fraud. That's also how you get establishment republicans. It's all about winning and they lie to get there.

Originally posted by Newjak
At the same point there are many transgendered people who look, or obviously are trying to look like the gender they identify as. That has to be equally uncomfortable for them to be told they need to change in a certain bathroom where they obviously also will get gawked at and probably ostracized for being different. I mean has anyone seen the photo of the FTM guy who has to go to the ladies room even though they absolutely look like a man. I bet those women probably were still looking at that guy funny and like a perv.

I mean honestly most people in this situation are just going to use the bathroom the way it is intended.

This is Michael Hughes.

Why is he in a women's restroom?

Because Michael is transgender.

He has been snapping selfies in women's restrooms to show people just how out of place he looks.

Michael is protesting a series of bills that would ban him from using men's restrooms and leave him no choice but to use the women's room.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is Michael Hughes.

Why is he in a women's restroom?

Because Michael is transgender.

He has been snapping selfies in women's restrooms to show people just how out of place he looks.

Michael is protesting a series of bills that would ban him from using men's restrooms and leave him no choice but to use the women's room.

Just because I was born female?
Umm. So everything needs to be shaken up because you want to change your gender?
And don't even try to use false equivalency to compare this to.

Originally posted by Raisen
Just because I was born female?
Umm. So everything needs to be shaken up because you want to change your gender?
And don't even try to use false equivalency to compare this to.

Does this person looks like he belongs in a women's restroom?

Is this bill not creating the very situation it seeks to prevent by forcing someone who appears to be a man to use the women's restroom?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Does this person looks like he belongs in a women's restroom?

Is this bill not creating the very situation it seeks to prevent by forcing someone who appears to be a man to use the women's restroom?

it was his choice to create what he looked like. why do people have to change because he made a choice to change himself

This is identity politics.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is identity politics.

it's crazy. you pay money to change what you are biologically. plastic surgery is another amazing thing right? i can make myself look like a phucking dolphin if i wanted. does that mean my tax money needs to support your feelings? the majority needs to adhere to what 1% wants?

insane

Originally posted by Raisen
the majority needs to adhere to what 1% wants?

insane

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Apparently not when it comes to monetary/fiscal policies though.

Originally posted by jaden101
Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Apparently not when it comes to monetary/fiscal policies though.

i absolutely agree.

Originally posted by Surtur
So just out of curiosity, if you have a 14 yr. old daughter would you be okay with 14 yr. old boys who identify as female showering with her? Being able to see her nude in the shower, and her able to see them nude, this would be okay with you?

Also what if legit females would feel unsafe and uncomfortable with a male being able to use their same locker rooms? Whose feelings of being unsafe and uncomfortable matter more?

Oh, and one more thing, what would you require for someone to be able to use a different bathroom? Merely identifying as that sex? Or only if they have had a full on surgical procedure changing their sex?

Since you like succinct answers.

Yes. Yes.

Mtf Transgender people are legit females. Answer: mtf transgender women Because: Mtf transgender people suffer insanely disproportionate violence from men, than women suffer from mtf transgender people.

Yes, identifying as the gender is enough.