Originally posted by NewjakYou gotta be a pretty shitty person to rat a suspect out for doing a bodily function. I could see if they were creepy as hell, but on the whole I have my doubts people who think they look like the other gender should be afraid for a simple in and out. If you don't think you pass the test, then maybe you made a mistake in choosing to become a man or woman.
Washrooms and lockers probably do require different talking points.But I think the main gripe is that even if they can get away with going to the bathroom they want transgenders now have a fear of being caught and fined for it now. It could create a very nervous situation on top of any other possible anxiety that may come with being transgendered.
Plus the whole interaction thing anyway. Should be short periods of actually seeing others, and even less time to get an authority figure.
I get nervous when I take a shit in a woman's washroom, but that's because I make no efforts to look anything less than a man. The alternative is shitting my pants and that's not worth it I think.
Plus I'd be curious of how many trans dudes and women have actually been fined for minding their own in a washroom.
I want to be a dolphin. There is a doctor that is going to put prosthetics in my body to make me look like a dolphin. I'm also taking these pills to make my skin blue.
Once I transition I require every public area to provide me a pool to piss and shit in.
Tell me how this is any different than what some Trans people are asking
Originally posted by RaisenYou deserve to not file taxes anymore and I think they'll give you an aquarium to live in.
I want to be a dolphin. There is a doctor that is going to put prosthetics in my body to make me look like a dolphin. I'm also taking these pills to make my skin blue.
Once I transition I require every public area to provide me a pool to piss and shit in.
Tell me how this is any different than what some Trans people are asking
Sounds pretty shitty. You picked a bad animal. I'd be a bear or something. But like the only bear in a zoo. Also sometimes I'd be people so I could leave whenever I felt like.
Originally posted by Surtur
They shouldn't be discriminated against this is true. But on the other hand if you were born with a dick use the men's washroom.It's not just these men born with dicks who have to use the male restroom, but all the men born with dicks.
If you have a sausage in your trousers then use the mens bathroom.
A dude coming out of a female bathroom will get gawked at just as much as in the other restroom.
Plus do we really want to even remotely suggest a guy who has to use the guys bathroom is being discriminated against? If a person is so afraid of being gawked at why would they decide to dress up as the opposite gender?
Does she look like she belongs in a men's restroom?
Should it be a criminal offense if she doesn't use the men's room? Because that's what this bill does.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Does she look like she belongs in a men's restroom?Should it be a criminal offense if she doesn't use the men's room? Because that's what this bill does.
But then when you try to put it like this then do we just take looks into account? That seems rather unfair to all those who identify was a female but just really will always look like a dude in drag.
But honestly in that picture the face kind of looks unnatural to me. Almost photoshopped. I am not saying that is the case I don't think the picture has been tampered with, but that is how strange some can look. The face seems too high up, is this just me imagining this?
Originally posted by SurturWould you at least acknowledge that is also unfair to make those transgender people that do look like their identified gender?
But then when you try to put it like this then do we just take looks into account? That seems rather unfair to all those who identify was a female but just really will always look like a dude in drag.But honestly in that picture the face kind of looks unnatural to me. Almost photoshopped. I am not saying that is the case I don't think the picture has been tampered with, but that is how strange some can look. The face seems too high up, is this just me imagining this?
PS I don't really care who uses what bathroom rememeber that.
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you at least acknowledge that is also unfair to make those transgender people that do look like their identified gender?PS I don't really care who uses what bathroom rememeber that.
For me it depends on the scenario. For instance let's say you have a guy who identifies as female and looks 100% female to the point nobody would ever question it. This guy stops off at a random rest area to use the bathroom. If he decides to use the girls bathroom is anyone going to actually stop him? Whether the bill exists or not nobody is going to be there to ask someone who appears female to actually prove they are female.
So I can't help but thinking the only people who would ever truly face problems are the ones who can't pull off the gender they identify as, right? So it's hard for me to see a situation where they could ever make someone who looks the way they identify use a different bathroom.
Okay well I just thought..what if a person does look 100% like a female, but the people actually personally know this person and know it is not a female. But then if you are in a womans bathroom and the women in there know you aren't a woman..isn't it going to be just as uncomfortable as being dressed as a woman and going into the mens bathroom?
Originally posted by SurturIt probably depends on the person.
Okay well I just thought..what if a person does look 100% like a female, but the people actually personally know this person and know it is not a female. But then if you are in a womans bathroom and the women in there know you aren't a woman..isn't it going to be just as uncomfortable as being dressed as a woman and going into the mens bathroom?
I would think if they felt uncomfortable about anything it would them being afraid of being told on that they broke the law.
I will note the number of reports of transgender people attacking people in restrooms in zero, the number of transgender people being attacked, very significantly more than zero.
Originally posted by Surtur
For me it depends on the scenario. For instance let's say you have a guy who identifies as female and looks 100% female to the point nobody would ever question it. This guy stops off at a random rest area to use the bathroom. If he decides to use the girls bathroom is anyone going to actually stop him? Whether the bill exists or not nobody is going to be there to ask someone who appears female to actually prove they are female.So I can't help but thinking the only people who would ever truly face problems are the ones who can't pull off the gender they identify as, right? So it's hard for me to see a situation where they could ever make someone who looks the way they identify use a different bathroom.
The thing is, some people just look androgynous or don't pass well. Or someone could be told they're trans and demand a check, or such.
If someone is ambiguous, what do you do? Do you harass all gender-ambiguous looking people to check?
Or if someone looks like him:
(Actual FtM individual Buck Angel)
And just chooses to follow the law. That'd make a lot of people uncomfortable because, c'mon.
Heck, wouldn't any publicly recognizable transgender person be obvious if they went against the law?
Like what if a town has a transgender mayor who is very visually distinctive- let's say wears a mayor sash all the time and has a distinctive tattoo. So everyone knows what bathroom the mayor is legally required to go to, and no-one is going to mistake them for someone else. That'd be BS.
It'd be placing the ability to go to the bathroom on passing sufficiently well and never being publicly TG.
Originally posted by Q99
I will note the number of reports of transgender people attacking people in restrooms in zero, the number of transgender people being attacked, very significantly more than zero.The thing is, some people just look androgynous or don't pass well. Or someone could be told they're trans and demand a check, or such.
If someone is ambiguous, what do you do? Do you harass all gender-ambiguous looking people to check?
Or if someone looks like him:
(Actual FtM individual Buck Angel)
And just chooses to follow the law. That'd make a lot of people uncomfortable because, c'mon.
Heck, wouldn't any publicly recognizable transgender person be obvious if they went against the law?
Like what if a town has a transgender mayor who is very visually distinctive- let's say wears a mayor sash all the time and has a distinctive tattoo. So everyone knows what bathroom the mayor is legally required to go to, and no-one is going to mistake them for someone else. That'd be BS.
It'd be placing the ability to go to the bathroom on passing sufficiently well and never being publicly TG.
jesus. people really are twisted