Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah but how much of that is culturally drilled into us. Like if we didn't treat like such a big deal would it be such a big deal as the generations went on is what I'm asking?
So essentially we have to change our culture to suit a person who wasn't happy with their genitals.
Great
Originally posted by Raisen
So essentially we have to change our culture to suit a person who wasn't happy with their genitals.Great
Seems that way.
If you're the right marginalized group, anyways. Why is it that Native Americans or many asians could get crapped on, and nobody cares, but the lgbt agenda has become almost sacred? It seems like homophobia is treated even worse then racism these days..
Originally posted by cdtm
Seems that way.If you're the right marginalized group, anyways. Why is it that Native Americans or many asians could get crapped on, and nobody cares, but the lgbt agenda has become almost sacred? It seems like homophobia is treated even worse then racism these days..
They rarely complain and many Asians are successful despite having worse setbacks than the preferred minorities
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They are sent to a prison that corresponds with their birth sex but are segregated from other prisoners.
Strange to me. How come with that the birth sex suddenly is important?
Most transgender teachers do not transition during the school year. They wait until the summer and return with a different name in the fall.
But I think you can agree not all men can actually pull off being a woman, right? Some men, no matter what, will always just look like a dude in drag, as opposed to a female. So it's still possible younger kids would notice something potentially off, and obviously something like this probably wouldn't stay a secret from parents.
Originally posted by cdtm
Seems that way.If you're the right marginalized group, anyways. Why is it that Native Americans or many asians could get crapped on, and nobody cares, but the lgbt agenda has become almost sacred? It seems like homophobia is treated even worse then racism these days..
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
But for me one problem I see is I don't think I will ever be able to shake the feeling that a young kid who wants to cut his penis off and become a woman is not a mentally stable person.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah but how much of that is culturally drilled into us. Like if we didn't treat like such a big deal would it be such a big deal as the generations went on is what I'm asking?
Yeah sure it's a cultural thing!
But it's not my cultural upbringing to be open about my toiletry habits, nor do I think it's yours or possibly 80% of the posters on this board.
You can't exactly argue that some native tribe halfway across the planet walk around naked so it ok to do so in your hometown.
Some 3rd world countries also openly defecate on the side of the road in plain sight, that doesn't mean it's culturally acceptable by another culture.
How exactly does one even determine if a person is trans or not? I mean does someone need to identify to everyone in a women's locker room that he/she is a trans when he goes in? Is everyone supposed to just believe that person? Can I walk into a women's locker room in a gym and say "hey! don't worry! I'm in transition!" and is everyone just supposed to believe me?
How does this thing work?
Originally posted by Surtur
Strange to me. How come with that the birth sex suddenly is important?But I think you can agree not all men can actually pull off being a woman, right? Some men, no matter what, will always just look like a dude in drag, as opposed to a female. So it's still possible younger kids would notice something potentially off, and obviously something like this probably wouldn't stay a secret from parents.
No question. There's this model in town, that a friend recruited for his modeling agency. From the moment I met her, I knew something was off.. She took hormone replacement therapy and everything, but it was something about the face.
Turned out she was indeed born a he, with some extra features of both sexes..
But I'd imagine there's also born women with masculine features.. And haven't you ever seen a woman with facial hair? 🙂
Originally posted by Surtur
Strange to me. How come with that the birth sex suddenly is important?
I do not necessarily think that it is. In many of these cases, the inmate did not legally change their gender, so as far as the law is concerned, they are still the gender that corresponds to their birth sex. In other cases, the facility does not know what to do with them. Keep in mind that transgender people are less than 1% of the population, and they are under-represented in prison populations. Most people have never met, let alone know someone who is trans, so there are not a lot of policies in place.
Originally posted by Surtur
But I think you can agree not all men can actually pull off being a woman, right? Some men, no matter what, will always just look like a dude in drag, as opposed to a female. So it's still possible younger kids would notice something potentially off, and obviously something like this probably wouldn't stay a secret from parents.
I do not think it is a matter of a teacher hiding her transgender status from parents. Rather it is about providing continuity for the her class, and not putting them through a transition as well. I do not think a teacher needs to disclose her gender to parents any more than a Jewish teacher needs to disclose his religion to parents for example. There will always be something about a teacher that students will notice and parents may be concerned with. I do not think being transgender is unique in that regard.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I do not necessarily think that it is. In many of these cases, the inmate did not legally change their gender, so as far as the law is concerned, they are still the gender that corresponds to their birth sex. In other cases, the facility does not know what to do with them. Keep in mind that transgender people are less than 1% of the population, and they are under-represented in prison populations. Most people have never met, let alone know someone who is trans, so there are not a lot of policies in place.i agree
I do not think it is a matter of a teacher hiding her transgender status from parents. Rather it is about providing continuity for the her class, and not putting them through a transition as well. I do not think a teacher needs to disclose her gender to parents any more than a Jewish teacher needs to disclose his religion to parents for example. There will always be something about a teacher that students will notice and parents may be concerned with. I do not think being transgender is unique in that regard.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Keep in mind that transgender people are less than 1% of the population
Just this right here, this one line is all the reason in the world for me as to why this bill was 100% the right thing to do. They represent less then 1% of the population and nothing more needs to be said.
Originally posted by SurturThat doesn't mean they should be discriminated against.
Just this right here, this one line is all the reason in the world for me as to why this bill was 100% the right thing to do. They represent less then 1% of the population and nothing more needs to be said.
That actually why we have some of the laws we do. To protect minorities from oppressed by the minority.
I'm not sure this is discrimination. I mean could be this is such a crazy topic to me.
They shouldn't be discriminated against this is true. But on the other hand if you were born with a dick use the men's washroom.
It's not just these men born with dicks who have to use the male restroom, but all the men born with dicks.
If you have a sausage in your trousers then use the mens bathroom.
A dude coming out of a female bathroom will get gawked at just as much as in the other restroom.
Plus do we really want to even remotely suggest a guy who has to use the guys bathroom is being discriminated against? If a person is so afraid of being gawked at why would they decide to dress up as the opposite gender?
Originally posted by SurturEven in cases where the person clearly looks female or is trying to look female?
They shouldn't be discriminated against this is true. But on the other hand if you were born with a dick use the men's washroom.It's not just these men born with dicks who have to use the male restroom, but all the men born with dicks.
If you have a sausage in your trousers then use the mens bathroom.
I mean one thing I'm not being seen talked about often is the mental effect this has one those transgendered people. You have someone wanting be treated like a certain gender but they are clearly being told they are silly and need to be made uncomfortable. That lack of acceptance can lead to possible social issues and problems. Like higher suicide rates.
What I'm saying it makes them stand out and even if they are using their 'correct' restrooms there still be plenty of cases where the bathrooms will be awkward. For instance the one guy that clearly looks like a dude going into the women's restroom. I'm also pretty sure a mtf transgender going into the men's rooms is going to make a lot of guys and that person uncomfortable as well.
Of course you're going to say well a guy dressing in the women's locker room could make those women uncomfortable. Don't their concerns count. And I will say yes they do. Which is why this is not an easy topic to discuss because there are many different levels to take into account.
Although I will say I've noticed the concern and talk has always leaned more to a guy in a women's locker room. No one seems to be really concerned with men being uncomfortable dressing with women an argument. We also have the argument that if men gets dressed in the same lockers as women then assault will increase. I'm not sure if this is factually true but if this is such a big concern I feel that points to another problem on how we raise our men within our culture if that is the expectation of them.
I digress back to the point though. I don't think there is an easy answer and there are valid points on both sides. Why should people be forced to stand out and dress in a locker they don't feel comfortable in. This can go both ways obviously. I'm just not sure the law around born gender bathroom usage was the correct way to handle this situation. It very clearly leaves a minority at least feeling discriminated against. It doesn't do anything to address their awkwardness.
I would be interested to see how many women there that are actually concerned about this on a side note.
I'm also wondering what people think the odds of assault in restrooms and lockers increasing would be if transgenders are allowed to use the restroom they identify with?
I don't understand the issue anyway. If you vaguely resemble the opposite sex then no one is going to question you for taking a piss. There aren't security protocols in place where you have to slam your genitals against something to unseal a locked door. Unless you're being really obnoxious about it, then there should be zero issue.
If I looked like a woman but I still had my cock, I wouldn't stand outside a woman's washroom hemming and hawwing about how I deserve to enter this facility instead, but the law is just trying to make me ashamed because I have to legally enter a men's bathroom. If you don't make a deal about it, then no one else would either.
Like those pictures of the woman complaining she has to enter washrooms with women while she looks like a dude. It's only uncomfortable because you're doing it to them. No one is going to stop you at the door and make sure you have a genetic penis just so you can pee with men. At least I hope that isn't the case.
However that brings up the point about locker rooms. If you look out of place simply in a bathroom, then how are you going to look naked when you didn't make a great transition? The alternative to this of course is simply not being naked like no one is forcing you to do. Most locker rooms have stalls anyway if you're afraid of ridicule.
I don't think locker rooms should be lumped in with public washrooms since it's different.
Originally posted by One Big MobWashrooms and lockers probably do require different talking points.
I don't understand the issue anyway. If you vaguely resemble the opposite sex then no one is going to question you for taking a piss. There aren't security protocols in place where you have to slam your genitals against something to unseal a locked door. Unless you're being really obnoxious about it, then there should be zero issue.If I looked like a woman but I still had my cock, I wouldn't stand outside a woman's washroom hemming and hawwing about how I deserve to enter this facility instead, but the law is just trying to make me ashamed because I have to legally enter a men's bathroom. If you don't make a deal about it, then no one else would either.
Like those pictures of the woman complaining she has to enter washrooms with women while she looks like a dude. It's only uncomfortable because you're doing it to them. No one is going to stop you at the door and make sure you have a genetic penis just so you can pee with men. At least I hope that isn't the case.
However that brings up the point about locker rooms. If you look out of place simply in a bathroom, then how are you going to look naked when you didn't make a great transition? The alternative to this of course is simply not being naked like no one is forcing you to do. Most locker rooms have stalls anyway if you're afraid of ridicule.
I don't think locker rooms should be lumped in with public washrooms since it's different.
But I think the main gripe is that even if they can get away with going to the bathroom they want transgenders now have a fear of being caught and fined for it now. It could create a very nervous situation on top of any other possible anxiety that may come with being transgendered.