I was gonna get involved, then I decided to not, but since my old buddy bran is calling for action and I did already post I'll contribute just a bit...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Does he uses anything other than energy blasts and board attacks in most of his fights? I've read pretty much everything Surfer has ever done and I don't think he uses anything other than occasional energy manipulation.It's his primary power.
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In a very large number of them yes.
No his primary power is to channel the Power Cosmic, an energy blast is one possible way for him to manifest that power. Against another flyer with energy blast of I could absolutely see not counting energy blasts as versatility, but against a ground based brick like Hulk or Thing, flying around blasting is absolutely an instance of him using his superior versatility in combat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I disagree with that. That's my opinion though.Superman doesn't goes in speedblitz mode from the start of a fight.
With his strength, he would kill anyone at Herald level with such a tactic.
More than you can.
Superman uses his speed in some way in almost all his fights. It's not just "flurry of punches" which is a speedblitz if you are thinking so.
Speed is an intrinsic part of how Superman fights.
Who's talking about STARTING the fight speedblitzing, how about him just speedblitzing at some point in the fight, especially to end it. See you say that Supes has done it enough to prove that he will if he needs to in a forum fight but you say that Surfer wouldn't use the necessary tactics to win in a forum fight because they're out of character.
Well give me a number, I'm genuinely interested in the prospect. How many speedblitzes can you produce for every versatility feat I post for Surfer from a fight?
Flying around is just how he moves.... if you're counting him moving around the battlefield, dodging, and bullrushing opponents then let me ask you this... do you count the same kind of thing as Surfer using "speed in combat"?
Originally posted by darthgoober
I was gonna get involved, then I decided to not, but since my old buddy bran is calling for action and I did already post I'll contribute just a bit...In a very large number of them yes.
No his primary power is to channel the Power Cosmic, an energy blast is one possible way for him to manifest that power. Against another flyer with energy blast of I could absolutely see not counting energy blasts as versatility, but against a ground based brick like Hulk or Thing, flying around blasting is absolutely an instance of him using his superior versatility in combat.
Who's talking about STARTING the fight speedblitzing, how about him just speedblitzing at some point in the fight, especially to end it. See you say that Supes has done it enough to prove that he will if he needs to in a forum fight but you say that Surfer wouldn't use the necessary tactics to win in a forum fight because they're out of character.
Well give me a number, I'm genuinely interested in the prospect. How many speedblitzes can you produce for every versatility feat I post for Surfer from a fight?
Flying around is just how he moves.... if you're counting him moving around the battlefield, dodging, and bullrushing opponents then let me ask you this... do you count the same kind of thing as Surfer using "speed in combat"?
*goes back to trolling Thor threads*
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I was more saying that you're public enemy number something and it's like a battle cry for Superman fans.But I guess it works both ways... so yeah, whatever works.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I think by this time next week every Superman fan on the forum will have attacked you in some capacity.Kind of sad to go to work in a couple days. Would make some spectacle.
Though it seems kind of irrational to me but what are you going to do?
Surfer WILL use some sort of superhuman speed and reflexes but I feel it would be less than Superman's on average. This is why they split. Superman will ko Surfer and out maneuver and out speed him in half the fights and Surfer will barely keep up and weakness exploit him in the other half.
What people don't realize here is that Superman can win with HV. I can prove it if anyone likes.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I was gonna get involved, then I decided to not, but since my old buddy bran is calling for action and I did already post I'll contribute just a bit...
Oh look who is back?
In a very large number of them yes.
Totally false. You want me to list his fights issue by issue?
No his primary power is to channel the Power Cosmic, an energy blast is one possible way for him to manifest that power.
Haha, what? That's his power source. It's like saying Flash main power is channeling speed force.
That makes no sense at all.
Against another flyer with energy blast of I could absolutely see not counting energy blasts as versatility, but against a ground based brick like Hulk or Thing, flying around blasting is absolutely an instance of him using his superior versatility in combat.
No, it's absolutely not.
Case closed.
Who's talking about STARTING the fight speedblitzing, how about him just speedblitzing at some point in the fight, especially to end it. See you say that Supes has done it enough to prove that he will if he needs to in a forum fight but you say that Surfer wouldn't use the necessary tactics to win in a forum fight because they're out of character.
Yes. Quite nice of you to paraphrase it.
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Well give me a number, I'm genuinely interested in the prospect. How many speedblitzes can you produce for every versatility feat I post for Surfer from a fight?
More than you can.
Flying around is just how he moves.... if you're counting him moving around the battlefield, dodging, and bullrushing opponents then let me ask you this... do you count the same kind of thing as Surfer using "speed in combat"?
This is why I call upon your BS. Surfer using his blasts is him using his versatility but Superman using his speed isn't using his speed unless you count Surfer using the same.
If you want to argue speed vs versatility I'm happy to do so.
If you are looking for Surfer vs Superman in speed, I'm happy to do so.
Chose one. Or are you just going to ask everyone to ignore my scans again and then run away?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I was more saying that you're public enemy number something and it's like a battle cry for Superman fans.But I guess it works both ways... so yeah, whatever works.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I suppose I am to some extent lol. I wouldn't say PUBLIC enemy though, most folks find me downright delightful. It's more that I'm #1 on Supes's fans "black list"...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh if they're actually gonna say something TO me you won't miss it. I'm not "back", I'm only here for this bit of discussion(so maybe a day or two). Beyond this I'm only going to be dealing will my tourney(assuming it actually gets off the ground).
As always your ego is only slightly smaller than Bran's.
Most people here currently don't even know who you are.
Originally posted by h1a8What people don't realize here is that Superman can win with HV. I can prove it if anyone likes. 😆
Surfer WILL use some sort of superhuman speed and reflexes but I feel it would be less than Superman's on average. This is why they split. Superman will ko Surfer and out maneuver and out speed him in half the fights and Surfer will barely keep up and weakness exploit him in the other half.What people don't realize here is that Superman can win with HV. I can prove it if anyone likes.