Originally posted by abhilegend
If only you knew how to debate and not create a bunch of rules in favor from the start."I will do it only if it works as I say."
Silly sally, that's not how a debate works.
I didn't set up the conditions for the debate, you and Celey did 😆 . See this kind of thing is where your rep for moving the goalposts comes from...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, Bran's ego is bigger than yours.He is a better Surfer fanboy than you too.
Now is that nice? I'm trying to be nice here. "Fanboy" is specifically referenced as bashing. Let's just be nice cause you know if you and I are debating that the mods are watching closely. If not nice than at least civil.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I only knew because I used to read the old threads and laugh at your silly posts.You silly sally, you are not that important. In fact you are not important at all in grand scheme of things.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh yes, you are.You have argued years about Superman and Surfer having similar level of speed and have been offended by mere mention of Superman being able to speedblitz surfer.
While weakness exploitation (which surfer never uses) is your go tactic.
I want to compare the times Surfer has used kryptonite/red sun rays on someone to the time superman has speedblitzed. Want to compare?
True story, they do. My objection hasn't been based on it being "in character" for Supes since the forum rules specifically mentioned him, but rather on Surfer's ability to react/counter.
Have either of those things EVER been relevant in a battle of Surfer's? That's like saying Supes can't knock out Wolverine because he's never ko'd someone with an adamantium skull and healing factor before lol
Originally posted by darthgooberMy favorite part is where he called me a "better" Surfer fanboy than you. I don't even defend Surfer, nor do I remember the last time I argued about him. I'm a terrible Surfer fanboy tbh.
Now is that nice? I'm trying to be nice here. "Fanboy" is specifically referenced as bashing. Let's just be nice cause you know if you and I are debating that the mods are watching closely. If not nice than at least civil.Exactly, you die hard Supes fans research my old posts 😄
Should have used Vince Slice. That guy is there, though even then you'd be hard pressed to find any dude from any fandom as determined as abhi. Guy hits the irony jackpot with half his insults.
Also pom poms for defending myself. When I get back I'm going to make up a cheer if I remember. I probably won't but it's a fun thought.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
My favorite part is where he called me a "better" Surfer fanboy than you. I don't even defend Surfer, nor do I remember the last time I argued about him. I'm a terrible Surfer fanboy tbh.Should have used Vince Slice. That guy is there, though even then you'd be hard pressed to find any dude from any fandom as determined as abhi. Guy hits the irony jackpot with half his insults.
Also pom poms for defending myself. When I get back I'm going to make up a cheer if I remember. I probably won't but it's a fun thought.
Originally posted by darthgoober
If I was more than mortal why would I run for President? I mean pronounce myself Godking, Pharaoh, or something like that sure... Begging the populace to put myself in charge for 4 years wouldn't even make sense 😛
Well, you seem to consider yourself in a very bright light, might as well start using it.
Hey you're the one who asked if I wanted you to post them, why are you trying to shift the onus to me?
You are the one who claimed that Surefr uses versatility in a very large amount of his appearances. Are you denying that now?
No his primary power is manipulating the speedforce, super speed is just the most frequent use of that power.
Haha, what? For four decades he wasn't even powered by speed force, it was retconned as source of his power in 1994.
So no, it isn't the primary power. Not by any means.
By the same token, Dr. Strange's and Dr. Fate's primary power isn't something like shooting energy blasts, it's casting spells/using magic.
Nobody claimed that. You are simply using red herrings now.
Also, absorbing sunlight... not a super power.
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That's simply hilarious. Not even going to bother replying to it.
Regular human's absorb solar energy all the time, it's how we get sun tans. Basically everything but mirrored surfaces absorbs solar energy. I think what you meant to say was "metabolizing solar energy". And if I was taking that route I would have said Surfer's power was absorbing cosmic energy. But I didn't say that, I said his primary power channeling the Power Cosmic, because lot's of other characters absorb cosmic energy as well but not all those characters manipulate the Power Cosmic.
Its the same. Superman metabolizes solar power into various effects as well.
I'm not going to say this is his primary power. But I'm going to see how far you are going to stretch this before you concede.
Green Lantern doesn't have a "power" he wields an object, different thing.Hulk does have superhuman size, but it's not really the greatest of his abilities so I personally wouldn't call it his primary power.
You are using "surfer" as a mean to say he is not a blaster but flyer? Why not use it in Green Lantern and Hulk's cases?
I mean the difference in size between him and human is significant, but the difference in strength is unreal.
The point went over your head I see.
In regards to Surfer though, being able to travel through space is the MOST important aspect of his powers, it's the whole reason Galactus created him. Take away his energy blast and he could still be a herald for Galactus, take away his ability to traverse space and he'd be useless for Galactus.
So you are saying his primary power is flying? After all, take away his power cosmic manipulation and he will still be useful to Galactus.
You're not giving your boy enough credit. Supes's main power isn't just super strength it's being super human across the board. Yes he's superstong but he's also super durable, super fast, and has superhuman senses, all to the Nth degree.
Yes, he is main power is Superstrength. Its the very basis of the power's name.
And versatile is a relative term comparing two or more people/things. You're not versatile based on what you CAN do, you're versatile based on what others CAN'T do.
Totally wrong. Its their lack of versatility not your versatility.
The really silly thing is that we've spent this much time on a tangent. I mean I already said that blasting was Surfer's main manifestation and my comment about it qualifying as versatility was limited to bricks. We're talking about an extreme minority of showings here lol.
Against bricks its their lack of versatility. How can you argue about comics for a decade and know so little about the terminologies?
Just as soon as you give me your number. No offense but you have a horrible reputation for doing things like "moving the goal posts"
Like I said, you made the first claim and questioned me. You should be the one to post the feats of versatility.
Onus is on you. Don't run away now.
You're the one who established the number of appearances/fights being relevant when you mentioned Surfer using his versatility in less than 5 percent. If a percentage is important for Surfer than it's important for Supes.
How does that equates to Superman needing five times more than surfer's feats of versatility to match them?
He needs to be judged on his own appearances and not some other character's.
No YOU'RE changing the topic. Celey asked specifically about SPEEDBLITZING, and you said you could produce more scans of it than celey could produce for Surfer using versatility
Are you championing Celey now? I clearly informed him about how I disagree with Superman using speedblitzes that much in his fights.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]I disagree with that. That's my opinion though.Superman doesn't goes in speedblitz mode from the start of a fight.
With his strength, he would kill anyone at Herald level with such a tactic.
More than you can.
Superman uses his speed in some way in almost all his fights. It's not just "flurry of punches" which is a speedblitz if you are thinking so.
Speed is an intrinsic part of how Superman fights.
Again, the topic has always been about Supes speedblitzing...
I always said about general use of speed. Your lack of comprehension is evident.
Surfer uses his energy blast in virtually all his fights. I can't think of a single fight off the top of my head where he didn't throw a single energy blasts. Supes obviously has more fights to his credit so if they both used speed/blasts 99% of the time of course he has more, but it wouldn't mean he had a higher percentage lol. Are you really so threatened by Surfer that you can't even admit that lol.
Really? Just read his fight with Thing recently. Or with Skaar.
I can cite plenty of examples where he fought like a brute.
And no that's not the stipulation, this discussion has been about speedblitzing before I even threw in my two cents. If you've decided that you don't want to back up what you said before, no worries. I'm gracious enough to let you back out without giving you flak about it.
Why would I back out from something which I haven't even claimed anything about? If you're chicken about surfer's versatility "in a large number of appearances", you can bow out anytime you want.
Its not like you'll even be here after that to give you a flak.
No my exact words were...*random gibberish*
*even more gibberish*
Now abhi... he's going to try to pull off a little magic act. He's gonna try a little misdirection... he's gonna throw in some double standards... add a dash of lowballing... and hope to amaze you with 1,000+ plus scans that come strait from the largest respect thread on the internet(fitting for the most popular character in the history of fiction) while ommiting all context... but in the end when you wipe the sleep out of your eyes and thank God that he's finally finished, nothing he will have said will be able to change the fact that all Supes can throw is rock, and the only reason for Surfer to throw scissors is because abhi desperately wants him too."
2nd paragraph is me saying "listen to my argument", 3rd paragraph is me saying "ignore his argument" [/B]
Your entire third paragraph is asking judges to ignore my scans and arguments because you are too good and I'm skewing the context.
Its like asking a child to realize his mistake.
"See, I did this right way. You must believe me."
You are so full of yourself, its almost pitiful. Like I said at that day too, you are nothing. You just want others to play by your rules while you discard anyone else's arguments
This just proves it again.
Just as long as you acknowledge that you're a worse fanboy than me, all is fine.
Defend my boy when I'm away. When I wake up, I'll be swept away by a big black dodge that in my reality is a ****ing silver surfboard. I'll be doing some matter manipulation like fusing nails to wood. No wait, I'll be shooting energy nails through wood. Using my super strength to lift poles. Probably use my star resisting durability to walk through banging my head off something. I don't know, some other shit. Absorbing cosmic energy through McDonalds?
Originally posted by darthgoober
No I'm not, I've acknowledged that according to forum rules Supes is will to speedblitz.
Well, I don't agree to that rule.
True story, they do. My objection hasn't been based on it being "in character" for Supes since the forum rules specifically mentioned him, but rather on Surfer's ability to react/counter.
Oh you want to argue Surfer's speed against Superman's? Well, that would be very interesting.
*Scans of Spidey and Ganeymede and Midnight Sun blitzing the **** out of surfer*
Have either of those things EVER been relevant in a battle of Surfer's?
Well, you posted that like in every post in your "reign". There must be so many examples of Surfer doing that to his opponents as you are asking for averages in appearances for Superman speedblitzing as a common tactic.
That's like saying Supes can't knock out Wolverine because he's never ko'd someone with an adamantium skull and healing factor before lol
Well, weaker characters than Superman have done so.
So are you going to accept this? Surfer using red sun/kryptonite vs Superman speedblitzing?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
My favorite part is where he called me a "better" Surfer fanboy than you. I don't even defend Surfer, nor do I remember the last time I argued about him. I'm a terrible Surfer fanboy tbh.Should have used Vince Slice. That guy is there, though even then you'd be hard pressed to find any dude from any fandom as determined as abhi. Guy hits the irony jackpot with half his insults.
Also pom poms for defending myself. When I get back I'm going to make up a cheer if I remember. I probably won't but it's a fun thought.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not 100% sure, but I think one time I actually won the vote for "most reasonable fanboy" back before people started actually getting mad about the title lol
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Originally posted by abhilegendI do, I really do... 😄
Well, you seem to consider yourself in a very bright light, might as well start using it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are the one who claimed that Surefr uses versatility in a very large amount of his appearances. Are you denying that now?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? For four decades he wasn't even powered by speed force, it was retconned as source of his power in 1994.So no, it isn't the primary power. Not by any means.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody claimed that. You are simply using red herrings now.
No I'm giving more examples to support the point. I'm not actually looking to debate Strange or Fate
Originally posted by abhilegend
crylaughThat's simply hilarious. Not even going to bother replying to it.
Don't know why, it's true. Everyone I know absorbs solar energy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its the same. Superman metabolizes solar power into various effects as well.I'm not going to say this is his primary power. But I'm going to see how far you are going to stretch this before you concede.
No it'd be the same if I was saying Surfer's primary power was absorbing ambient energy, that's not what I'm saying.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are using "surfer" as a mean to say he is not a blaster but flyer? Why not use it in Green Lantern and Hulk's cases?The point went over your head I see.
So you are saying his primary power is flying? After all, take away his power cosmic manipulation and he will still be useful to Galactus.
Yeah lot's of names are descriptive that way, Surfer's is one of them.
No flying is yet another manifestation of his ability to manipulate the power cosmic. If Galactus took back his Power Cosmic he wouldn't be able to fly. You seem to have become confused, I was going by YOUR way of thinking in that I was talking about the primary manifestation of his power cosmic. You said "energy blasts" but it's actually flying.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he is main power is Superstrength. Its the very basis of the power's name.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Totally wrong. Its their lack of versatility not your versatility.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Against bricks its their lack of versatility. How can you argue about comics for a decade and know so little about the terminologies?
He's versatile because MOST beings don't have his powers. And if he's using something his opponent doesn't have and can't deal with, he's using his versatility. Again, versatile is a relative term.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, you made the first claim and questioned me. You should be the one to post the feats of versatility.Onus is on you. Don't run away now.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How does that equates to Superman needing five times more than surfer's feats of versatility to match them?He needs to be judged on his own appearances and not some other character's.
Because we KNOW Supes's speed blitzing is covered in forum rules and we know that you think Surfer uses less than 5% which is not enough so I'm seeking the comparison to find out if Surfer's would be included in the basic premise of the rule.
And it's not like I'm insisting on 5. I think there should be a proportionate amount to Surfer's based on both character's appearances/fights.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you championing Celey now? I clearly informed him about how I disagree with Superman using speedblitzes that much in his fights.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I always said about general use of speed. Your lack of comprehension is evident.
Celey ask how many instances of Supes using a SPEEDBLITZ you could post for each versatility showing he could produce for Surfer and you said "more than you", but since Supes has ALOT more appearances then you imply that you can produce ALOT more showings to hold up to that. After all, if Surfer has less than 5% and Supes has more than 5% but has 3 times as many appearances, it mean that Surfer has a higher than 5 percent and should be included in the rules that cover stuff like "full capacity". You can disagree with the rule on principle all you want, but we're just talking about whether or not Surfer's exotic stuff falls under that rule's jurisdiction.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Just read his fight with Thing recently. Or with Skaar.I can cite plenty of examples where he fought like a brute.
Yeah that was def a good strength showing, koing Thing with punch like that even though he was in battle armor. But didn't he do something else exotic to Skaar in their fight(been a LONG time since I read that one)? I thought he ripped his old power away or merged with him or something like that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would I back out from something which I haven't even claimed anything about? If you're chicken about surfer's versatility "in a large number of appearances", you can bow out anytime you want.Its not like you'll even be here after that to give you a flak.
You said that you could produce more instances of him blitzing than Celey and that Surfer wouldn't use versatility in a forum fight because he used it less than 5% of his fights. The mods have made it very clear that Supes has blitzed enough to support him doing in in a forum fight. Ergo if Supes has twice as many fights as Surfer you should be able to produce twice as many blitzes(at least in fights where blitzing was an option, we don't gotta count the fights against people we know he's not likely to be able to blitz) as Surfer's used versatility. If he's got 3 times as many fights you should be able to produce 3 times as many blitzes. I'm just trying to find out if Surfer falls under the same forum protection as Supes via the rule that you disagree with but is still in effect.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your entire third paragraph is asking judges to ignore my scans and arguments because you are too good and I'm skewing the context.Its like asking a child to realize his mistake.
"See, I did this right way. You must believe me."
You are so full of yourself, its almost pitiful. Like I said at that day too, you are nothing. You just want others to play by your rules while you discard anyone else's arguments
This just proves it again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, I don't agree to that rule.
Do you ever cite it when someone says Supes won't blitz in a forum fight?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh you want to argue Surfer's speed against Superman's? Well, that would be very interesting.[QUOTE=15616351]Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]*Scans of Spidey and Ganeymede and Midnight Sun blitzing the **** out of surfer*
Ah ah ah... lowballing speed if it's been otherwise established is a no no. That applies equally to Surfer as it does Supes and as you've already made clear, you consider moving around the battlefield, dodging, and bullrushing to be proof of someone using their speed in combat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, you posted that like in every post in your "reign". There must be so many examples of Surfer doing that to his opponents as you are asking for averages in appearances for Superman speedblitzing as a common tactic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, weaker characters than Superman have done so.So are you going to accept this? Surfer using red sun/kryptonite vs Superman speedblitzing?
There's never been an instance where he's NEEDED to create either, you're starting to act a little silly again. But manipulating and exotic energies and messing with solar energy are both things he's done.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I do, I really do... 😄
I really do believe you.
Nope not denying it at all. Just saying that I'm not the one who asked the other if he wanted me to post something. I simply asked how many instances you could post for every one I posted for Surfer.
Yes, you are denying it. You posted that surfer uses versatility in a "very large number" of his appearances first.
Now you're just being a chicken
Yeah it WAS... then it was rectonned. So it's not his primary power since the recton.
Even with retcon he wasn't able to manipulate speed force for four decades.
This is just terrible.
No I'm giving more examples to support the point. I'm not actually looking to debate Strange or Fate
All you are giving are red herrings.
Don't know why, it's true. Everyone I know absorbs solar energy.
hysterical
This is still terrible. I'm still not going to reply to it.
No it'd be the same if I was saying Surfer's primary power was absorbing ambient energy, that's not what I'm saying.
No, you are applying double standards which you are very good at doing. Its one thing in case of surfer and other in case of any other character.
Yeah lot's of names are descriptive that way, Surfer's is one of them.
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No flying is yet another manifestation of his ability to manipulate the power cosmic.
So is to a lot of characters.
If Galactus took back his Power Cosmic he wouldn't be able to fly. You seem to have become confused, I was going by YOUR way of thinking in that I was talking about the primary manifestation of his power cosmic. You said "energy blasts" but it's actually flying.
I'm talking about the power he uses most in the fights.
You went into a tangent. You also seem to get confused a lot. Slow down champ.
It's also the basis of super speed, super senses, etc. He's got a super overall physicality, THAT's his primary power.
Being super? That's not a power silly sally.
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I take your concession.
He's versatile because MOST beings don't have his powers. And if he's using something his opponent doesn't have and can't deal with, he's using his versatility. Again, versatile is a relative term.
Not if he is using his primary power like shooting energy blasts.
That's not using versatility. You are trying to paint anything he does as using versatility as you do not have enough evidences otherwise.
Clever tactic. Too transparent though.
I didn't make a claim, I asked a question. You said you could post more, I said "how many"
Yes, you did.
[quote]Does he uses anything other than energy blasts and board attacks in most of his fights? I've read pretty much everything Surfer has ever done and I don't think he uses anything other than occasional energy manipulation.It's his primary power.
Don't be a chicken now.
Because we KNOW Supes's speed blitzing is covered in forum rules and we know that you think Surfer uses less than 5% which is not enough so I'm seeking the comparison to find out if Surfer's would be included in the basic premise of the rule.
You should see a mod to change the rule in that case. Why would I try to defend a rule I don't agree with?
And it's not like I'm insisting on 5. I think there should be a proportionate amount to Surfer's based on both character's appearances/fights.
Using speed, yes. I never said anything about speedblitzes.
Well you're free to disagree, but it IS covered in the forum rules and you do point to those rules when people are arguing against his inclination to speedblitz on the forum.
Of course I am. You don't get to manipulate the rules and include Surfer there just because Superman is there.
Celey ask how many instances of Supes using a SPEEDBLITZ you could post for each versatility showing he could produce for Surfer and you said "more than you", but since Supes has ALOT more appearances then you imply that you can produce ALOT more showings to hold up to that.
If only you can read any posts after that where I cleared my stance that I do not agree with the speedblitz rules and I was talking about using speed in a fight.
After all, if Surfer has less than 5% and Supes has more than 5% but has 3 times as many appearances, it mean that Surfer has a higher than 5 percent and should be included in the rules that cover stuff like "full capacity". You can disagree with the rule on principle all you want, but we're just talking about whether or not Surfer's exotic stuff falls under that rule's jurisdiction.
You should talk to a Mod about that. Preferably Bada. These are my personal opinions after all.
I do not get to modify those rules.
Yeah that was def a good strength showing, koing Thing with punch like that even though he was in battle armor. But didn't he do something else exotic to Skaar in their fight(been a LONG time since I read that one)? I thought he ripped his old power away or merged with him or something like that.
Only after punching him a few times and knocking him out.
You said that you could produce more instances of him blitzing than Celey and that Surfer wouldn't use versatility in a forum fight because he used it less than 5% of his fights.
You are so easily confused. Read my posts again and come back.
The mods have made it very clear that Supes has blitzed enough to support him doing in in a forum fight.
Yes and even though I do not agree with it, I don't have anything to do with it.
Ergo if Supes has twice as many fights as Surfer you should be able to produce twice as many blitzes(at least in fights where blitzing was an option, we don't gotta count the fights against people we know he's not likely to be able to blitz) as Surfer's used versatility. If he's got 3 times as many fights you should be able to produce 3 times as many blitzes. I'm just trying to find out if Surfer falls under the same forum protection as Supes via the rule that you disagree with but is still in effect.
No, he doesn't. Go to a Mod and whine about it. FWIW, I don't use Superman speedblitzing against anyone normally either. He is tough enough to own surfer without using it after all.
THAT'S WHAT A DEBATE IS.
Maybe in your dreams. If you have to coerce judges to ignore the second guy because he is lying and you are not, you do not deserve the right to debate at all. Show your merits. Now I know how you got to be such a massive egotist.
One person on one side, one on the other, both trying to convince the judges that they're "right" and the other is "wrong"
Not by saying the other guy is manipulating entire scene and is not trustworthy at all. You are a disgrace to word "debater" if you think that's what a debate is.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you ever cite it when someone says Supes won't blitz in a forum fight?
No.
Ah ah ah... lowballing speed if it's been otherwise established is a no no.
Lowballing? Surfer has routinely failed to counter a blitz. Speeding on his board isn't a speed feat as the board has been established as a separate entity with its own mind.
That applies equally to Surfer as it does Supes and as you've already made clear, you consider moving around the battlefield, dodging, and bullrushing to be proof of someone using their speed in combat.
If only surfer was the one who was doing that. The board is doing all that stuff.
If they've never been relevant than why would there be numerous instances lol.
So you admit you are essentially debating a tactic Surfer has never used as his primary go to tactic without any proof at all? And nobody laughed at you?
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BTW here is something you will find very interesting about "weakness sensing" cosmic awareness. It doesn't senses weakness.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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I'm very curious indeed.
Well if you're going to use that logic, then if less powerful/skilled characters than Surfer have created red sun/knite then Surfer should be able to also right?
Why would he do that if he never does that in actual fights? Superman actually punches in comics if you are not aware.
You are using OOC tactics for years as a crutch.
There's never been an instance where he's NEEDED to create either, you're starting to act a little silly again. But manipulating and exotic energies and messing with solar energy are both things he's done. [/B]
Yes, there has been. Remember Krosakis with Gladiator's powers?
Draining is a valid tactic for him but Superman is too resistant for draining to be effective.
Red sun and kryptonite? About as plausible as Superman erasing Surfer out of reality with a counter vibration note.
And unlike Surfer he has actually done that at least twice.
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Originally posted by playa1258
Nice to see CBR Silver Surfer has popped up once again on KMC.Let me guess. Surfer blitzes at trillions times lightspeed while opening black holes all over the their bodies and shooting planet destroying blasts out each finger right?
If not, it's PIS.
Its quite hilarious to see this in play.
Originally posted by playa1258Who made any of those claims ? Abhi's Superman has abstract level strength and he ignores when his peers hurt him and knock him for a loop which is the consistent superman showing. If anyone tries to cbr his character up its abhi.
Nice to see CBR Silver Surfer has popped up once again on KMC.Let me guess. Surfer blitzes at trillions times lightspeed while opening black holes all over the their bodies and shooting planet destroying blasts out each finger right?
If not, it's PIS.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just FYI, forum rules don't talk about blitzing - merely that Superman will use his speed.
A flurry of full strength punches from Superman will kill any Herald level being.
It's not like he needs to punch Surfer a hundred times to knock him out.