Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok people, both sides are exaggerating a bit too much now. Faora is fast but let's not pretend she was speed blitzing all over the place. It's definitely possible for Hulk to land hits on her... though not many. It was easy for her to blitz those humans because all it took to down them was one punch. I'm not sure what one of her punches will do to Hulk.But also, Hulk never speed blitzed Loki. Loki was distracted and was completely not expecting the attack. That's called being caught by surprise, not speed blitz.
So Loki wasn't expecting a guy that just punched him through a building to attack? He was easily able to detect a blind side arrow from hitting him when he wasn't looking but he didn't expect a 2000 pound raging monster (that he previously used to attack the avengers) to attack him. Get out of here with that.
Originally posted by carver9
So Loki wasn't expecting a guy that just punched him through a building to attack? He was easily able to detect a blind side arrow from hitting him when he wasn't looking but he didn't expect a 2000 pound raging monster (that he previously used to attack the avengers) to attack him. Get out of here with that.
When you're expecting someone to attack you, do you just stand there talking with your arms down and throw a tantrum? Common sense man, common sense.
Originally posted by FrothByte
When you're expecting someone to attack you, do you just stand there talking with your arms down and throw a tantrum? Common sense man, common sense.
Loki probably considered the possibility that the Hulk would attack him. At the same time, his overconfident monologing placed him in a more vulnerable position making the grab easier for Hulk.
Essentially, (IMO) you're both right to a degree.
I love how nobody, not a single person can address the points I've brought up. I'd say that is the most telling thing here. I can easily address each point up brought by the Faora side, and yet nobody can do the same for my points. That speaks volumes about how convincingly Hulk wins this fight. It's lopsided to frank.
Notice how I haven't even address Faora's constant examples to start to monologue. It's par for the course. Just using that makes this fight all the more easy.
All the Faora people can do is keep saying the same stuff that simply isn't true. She's too fast.. too durable and too strong. Literally NONE of that is true. Hulk is stronger and more durable and EASILY so. Faora gets destroyed here
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
See the scene when she blitzes the soldiers, Superman etc. Has Hulk ever fought someone with that level of combat speed?
Gave it a little thought. The closest quick-reaction I can remember Hulk having is not the Loki beatdown. It would actually be his ejector seat grab. According to wiki (someone pls check my facts, don't know how accurate I am) these seats can accelerate as fast as 117-137 m/s2.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejection_seat
And Hulk (being in a mindless rage, thus not anticipating the ejection) plucked it in mid air pretty easily.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I love how nobody, not a single person can address the points I've brought up. I'd say that is the most telling thing here. I can easily address each point up brought by the Faora side, and yet nobody can do the same for my points. That speaks volumes about how convincingly Hulk wins this fight. It's lopsided to frank.Notice how I haven't even address Faora's constant examples to start to monologue. It's par for the course. Just using that makes this fight all the more easy.
All the Faora people can do is keep saying the same stuff that simply isn't true. She's too fast.. too durable and too strong. Literally NONE of that is true. Hulk is stronger and more durable and EASILY so. Faora gets destroyed here
Your assumption of monologue in this fight with Hulk is misplaced.
First of all, monologue in these fights has never been a part of vs matches.
Secondly if you want to say it is, then why? Because the monologue between her and Kal El are part of the story and she is taunting him with political speeches and such.
Assuming that she would try to engage in monologue with Hulk will never happen. Because the only people that have tried to reason with him like Thor and Ironman are trying to calm him down.
Thirdly, she can speed blitz and jump around him with ease, he has never fought someone as fast or as strong as her.
As far as saying she is not fast enough, I have trouble understanding why you think this.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiA pretty long post that says literally nothing.
As I showed in another thread. Faora only displayed super h2h combat speed while on the ground. Never did she display said speed while jumping nor flying. Even Zod never displayed any super speed punching while in the air. Name with Nam, when he and superman were exchanging in the air. Which could mean one of two things :1. Faora can only fight at that speed while on the ground.
2. When it appeared THAT fast, was against regular humans. That's when her super speed was on display the most and accentuated the most. Even while on the ground in the IHOP against Supes, she did appear fast and made fast movement. Just didn't seem as fast nor as pronounce. We could've very well been seeing things from a human perspective when up against the soldiers
Further, it's literally laughable to call Superman more durable than the Hulk, I honestly can't take that seriously. Supes was VISIBLY affected by the 50 cal. shots.. it visibly shook him and moved him. He was KOed on 3 for sure occasions
1. Oil Rig
2. Faora and Nam temp KO'd him
3. WE
4. We could visually argue that Faora temp KO'd him in their IHOP encounter. When she slams him on the ground, he isn't moving and his eyes are shut. The reasons it's up for debate is because she quickly throws him. But again he appeared limp even when picked up. That is 3 or 4 instances of him being KO'd in one movie.In all of Hulk's movies, even the current one. his track record shits all over Superman's. Literally a poop ensues. He's taken military fire to better effect, hammer shots and blows in general from another super powered being without being KO'd, long distance falls, hits from Abom (another super strong powered being). I could go on and on. An notion trying to pretend Zod, Superman or Faora are more durable than Hulk is a joke.
Hulk would absolutely eventually tag Faora and precede to beat the ever loving crap out of her. This is a non fight. It's only a fight if Hulk just tries to stand there and go h2h like a boxer. Sure, then she appears great, but even then eventually he'll tag her and it's game over then. The reality is, he'd try that at first, get slapped around a bit, get pissed and proceed to go ape crazy and give her the punk god treatment.
I could get into strength, because again, neither of them are stronger than Hulk. That is a total and butchery of the characters and what they bring to the table. It's plain being disingenuous. Hulk is stronger than any single Kryptonian, and to be frank, it's not all that close when Hulk really gets pissed. Again, it's a poop type of situation. I love the lengths some peope are going to try and have Faora wins. She's stronger and more durable BWHAHAHAHAH. Jesus H. Christ.
Hulk Smash, with minor difficulty
Faora only fought that fast on the ground because she can't fly. Did you even watch the movie (I can't blame you if you didn't)? You seem to be asking for feats of Faora fighting that fast while flying, but she can't fly. Luckily for her, neither can Hulk.
Meanwhile, Superman has much better top end durability feats like tanking the World Engine's blast (which flattened skyscrapers) and surviving going through the World Engine itself, which had enough energy to terraform the planet.
Meanwhile, Hulk gets held down by continuous Chitauri fire.
Superman could be moved and feel .50 caliber rounds. They couldn't hurt him. Zod couldn't even really hurt him.
The oil rig is an irrelevant feat, considering he canonically grew more powerful as he discovered his powers.
Faora is easily knocking Hulk out in this thread, so being KO'd by her (I don't really remember this to be honest) isn't bad.
And the World Engine feat is beyond anything the weak MCU Hulk has done.
No, you're just biased and want your big green boyfriend to be stronger than he is.
This isn't even counting what looks to be a feat in the new film where he tanks Doomsday's heat vision that completely obliterates several city blocks (he was side by side with Diana, so he wasn't protected like Bruce was).
It's funny, that you seem so opposed to Superman being more durable than Hulk, when Hulk is the one who has been visibly injured from superpowered fights (and even more mundane shit).
No, Faora can easily match Hulk's strength. She vastly exceeds his speed and fighting ability.
Hulk thinks slower than Faora moves.
Faora isn't really stronger or more durable. But Clark is. 👆
World Engine boyo.
Originally posted by NibedicusThe Kryptonians were never injured by gunfire, but they could be knocked around by it.
As durability "feats" go. The closest quantifiable comparison between Ktonian's and the Hulk would be how they dealt with aircraft fire.An A-10 GAU 8 30mm round hits at about over 200k joules (need to someone to validate my math tho) and a single pass (looked like multiple hits tho, like 3-4 at least) knocked Nam Ek (the bigger, stronger and I'm assuming tougher Ktonian) on his butt, made him go "Urrrrh! Ugh!!" and kept him down on his knees for over 10 seconds.
(0:25-0:38)
By comparison. Hulk took at least a hundred rounds if not hundreds of rounds from 10 seconds worth of continuous fire from a F-35 GAU 22 whose 25mm rounds hits for about 100k joules (again, math check pls). Funny thing is, F-35's only really carry enough ammo for 3-4 seconds of continuous fire. :-p but eh, movie physics. He took it like it was literally nothing. Like spitballs at best.
(See clip/timestamps I posted earlier)
It's almost like Hulk is heavier than all the Kryptonians put together.
Originally posted by FrothByteIt's only a surprise attack if it happened to Hulk.
Ok people, both sides are exaggerating a bit too much now. Faora is fast but let's not pretend she was speed blitzing all over the place. It's definitely possible for Hulk to land hits on her... though not many. It was easy for her to blitz those humans because all it took to down them was one punch. I'm not sure what one of her punches will do to Hulk.But also, Hulk never speed blitzed Loki. Loki was distracted and was completely not expecting the attack. That's called being caught by surprise, not speed blitz.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiDon't flatter yourself. I'm just the only person with the patience to address your verbal ejaculation.
I love how nobody, not a single person can address the points I've brought up. I'd say that is the most telling thing here. I can easily address each point up brought by the Faora side, and yet nobody can do the same for my points. That speaks volumes about how convincingly Hulk wins this fight. It's lopsided to frank.Notice how I haven't even address Faora's constant examples to start to monologue. It's par for the course. Just using that makes this fight all the more easy.
All the Faora people can do is keep saying the same stuff that simply isn't true. She's too fast.. too durable and too strong. Literally NONE of that is true. Hulk is stronger and more durable and EASILY so. Faora gets destroyed here
You're bad and you should feel bad. 👆
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok people, both sides are exaggerating a bit too much now. Faora is fast but let's not pretend she was speed blitzing all over the place. It's definitely possible for Hulk to land hits on her... though not many. It was easy for her to blitz those humans because all it took to down them was one punch. I'm not sure what one of her punches will do to Hulk.But also, Hulk never speed blitzed Loki. Loki was distracted and was completely not expecting the attack. That's called being caught by surprise, not speed blitz.
👆