Faora vs. MCU Hulk

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You need to rewatch hulk to see how much he was affected by military weapons. It was a lot...they actually ripped his skin apart. Unlike the kryptonians where it just knocked them back.

Older versions of Hulk. He's since had a power creep from his older versions. You can ignore this fact if you want but that would simply make your argument disingenuous.

If you can provide post Avengers, tho, I would be inclined to agree with you.

And let's not downplay what happened to Nam Ek. Knockback, pain (by his crying out in pain) and 10 seconds on his knees. I can support all this with timestamps (w/c I already did).

So he got knocked down, then got right back up and killed the people without any sweat.

Arguing which version of hulk is pretty disingenuous as its canon fact that they are all the same hulk.

Your still trying to say that some how Nam was crippled and seriously hurt.

That is simply not the case.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Gave it a little thought. The closest quick-reaction I can remember Hulk having is not the Loki beatdown. It would actually be his ejector seat grab. According to wiki (someone pls check my facts, don't know how accurate I am) these seats can accelerate as fast as 117-137 m/s2.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejection_seat

And Hulk (being in a mindless rage, thus not anticipating the ejection) plucked it in mid air pretty easily.

Also, we don't know if Hulk was expecting it or not because of the camera used for that specific scene. Nevermind, when we see Hulk he's already facing in the pilot's direction.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Older versions of Hulk. He's since had a power creep from his older versions. You can ignore this fact if you want but that would simply make your argument disingenuous.

If you can provide post Avengers, tho, I would be inclined to agree with you.

And let's not downplay what happened to Nam Ek. Knockback, pain (by his crying out in pain) and 10 seconds on his knees. I can support all this with timestamps (w/c I already did).

Like Carver said, we don't share feats.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Nam Ek isn't in this thread, and there's no way to compare his durability with the other kryp's.

Like Carver said, we don't share feats.

#Boom

Originally posted by Nibedicus
To be fair, the Avengers Hulk functioned at a whole 'nuther level compared to the Hulk 2 version.

But what did Hulk do in the Avengers movie to make you think his speed has increased?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman was stunned/ko'd by one laser.

A laser from a Kryptonian spaceship it needs to be pointed out. Being stunned by advanced tech isn't necessarily a bad feat.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Nam Ek isn't in this thread, and there's no way to compare his durability with the other kryp's.

Like Carver said, we don't share feats.

If you would have read my posts, you'd know that my argument was not to determine Faora's durability. It was to quantify Hulk's.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So he got knocked down, then got right back up and killed the people without any sweat.

Arguing which version of hulk is pretty disingenuous as its canon fact that they are all the same hulk.

Your still trying to say that some how Nam was crippled and seriously hurt.

That is simply not the case.

We also take character growth/upgrades when we establish their upper limits when we debate. The same reason that keeps us from using teenage Clark or flightless Zod when debating said characters.

Never said Nam Ek was crippled don't strawman me now. I said exactly what I said. That Nam Ek got badly knocked back, cried out in pain ang got stunned for 10 seconds. My whole line of reasoning is to create a comparative between how much it affected Hulk vs how much it affected Nam Ek.

Originally posted by Surtur
But what did Hulk do in the Avengers movie to make you think his speed has increased?

A laser from a Kryptonian spaceship it needs to be pointed out. Being stunned by advanced tech isn't necessarily a bad feat.

Never said Hulk got faster, just that he functioned at different levels between movies. I did point out hos ejector grab "feat" tho.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
If you would have read my posts, you'd know that my argument was not to determine Faora's durability. It was to quantify Hulk's.

Or better put, how is that relevant to this fight?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
We also take character growth/upgrades when we establish their upper limits when we debate. The same reason that keeps us from using teenage Clark or flightless Zod when debating said characters.

Never said Nam Ek was crippled don't strawman me now. I said exactly what I said. That Nam Ek got badly knocked back, cried out in pain ang got stunned for 10 seconds. My whole line of reasoning is to create a comparative between how much it affected Hulk vs how much it affected Nam Ek.

Again your making him being knocked down a big deal..Thats like saying when Loki kicked Thor and he made him grunt and he was hurt..which he wasn't. Now when Loki stabbed Thor and he was bleeding, yes he was hurt.

Lets drop these "hurt" games here and now.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, how does Nam Ek being knocked down and 'screaming in pain' help you quantify Hulk's durability?

Or better put, how is that relevant to this fight?

"screaming in pain"😂

Soon as my power comes back I'll reply. I apologize for the short/rushed replies. Posting on my phone and it suuux.

Its not going to override what I said, you are downplaying times when MCU characters have been hurt by your definition, and now up playing being knocked down as being hurt and making a noise or "screaming in pain" as you call it which is another fiction.

I know what game you are playing its not going to work with me.

Cheers

I find it weird how pro-kryptonians like to dismiss Clark getting KO'd by the oil rig by saying he got stronger. As far as we can tell, he learned to fly but there's no indication he actually got stronger or more durable. If the only basis we have is that he accomplished more impressive feats later on in the movie then we can also say that Hulk increased strength and durability in the MCU, simply because his feats in the latter movies were better than his feats in the Incredible Hulk.

Not one person here said he got more durable..obviously he got stronger. Why are you so hard nosed about this? His durability made him be able to survive anything.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Not one person here said he got more durable..obviously he got stronger. Why are you so hard nosed about this? His durability made him be able to survive anything.

Well, I assume that if you are dismissing him getting knocked out by the oil rig then you mean his durability increased. Because strength itself does not stop you from getting KO'd, that's durability.

As for being "hard nosed" as you put it, the reason I contest it is because there's no hard evidence of him actually increasing in strength or durability. If the only proof you have is "he did more impressive feats later on in the movie" then you need to apply the same logic to Hulk (and basically every superhero or action hero out there) who accomplished more impressive feats in latter movies than his first one.

You never actually give DCU a equal view, its always slated to MCU which is obviously your favorite so you really reek of bias

Myself I like Marvel and DC equally, maybe Marvel more, but I know when I see a superior character and the kryptonian showings is stronger then Hulk, Kurse and Thor.

If being temporary ko'd after having a oil rig falling on you is your winning argument, please keep using it, because after all you been using the same bullshit for the past 3 years. Its pretty sad you can't move on. I never considered hundreds of feet of steel collapsing on someone and not having a scratch on them a low showing.

That said I really don't listen to much of your bias anymore because its gotten so bad I can barely deal with it.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You never actually give DCU a equal view, its always slated to MCU which is obviously your favorite so you really reek of bias

Myself I like Marvel and DC equally, maybe Marvel more, but I know when I see a superior character and the kryptonian showings is stronger then Hulk, Kurse and Thor.

If being temporary ko'd after having a oil rig falling on you is your winning argument, please keep using it, because after all you been using the same bullshit for the past 3 years. Its pretty sad you can't move on. I never considered hundreds of feet of steel collapsing on someone and not having a scratch on them a low showing.

That said I really don't listen to much of your bias anymore because its gotten so bad I can barely deal with it.

The person who resorts to personal insults is usually the person who has no reasonable response to give.

I've already said that Faora wins this 10/10 without her mask weakness. So I don't know where you're getting this "bias" accusation from.

I merely pointed out the double-standard of your stance, about how you want to give Superman the benefit of the doubt of improving due to better feats later on in the movie but are unwilling to do the same for Hulk.

So how about you drop all your "bias" accusations and just respond to it properly. Because let's face it, whenever a debate about MOS is brought up you will say anything just to get any character from MOS to win.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I find it weird how pro-kryptonians like to dismiss Clark getting KO'd by the oil rig by saying he got stronger. As far as we can tell, he learned to fly but there's no indication he actually got stronger or more durable. If the only basis we have is that he accomplished more impressive feats later on in the movie then we can also say that Hulk increased strength and durability in the MCU, simply because his feats in the latter movies were better than his feats in the Incredible Hulk.

That's if you don't want to count the WE/Mini black hole.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Soon as my power comes back I'll reply. I apologize for the short/rushed replies. Posting on my phone and it suuux.