Faora vs. MCU Hulk

Started by Time-Immemorial14 pages

Originally posted by FrothByte
The person who resorts to personal insults is usually the person who has no reasonable response to give.

I've already said that Faora wins this 10/10 without her mask weakness. So I don't know where you're getting this "bias" accusation from.

I merely pointed out the double-standard of your stance, about how you want to give Superman the benefit of the doubt of improving due to better feats later on in the movie but are unwilling to do the same for Hulk.

So how about you drop all your "bias" accusations and just respond to it properly. Because let's face it, whenever a debate about MOS is brought up you will say anything just to get any character from MOS to win.

Point out the personal insults..

I never gave a double standard to the Hulk, if I did, mind pointing out where exactly?

I pointed out the fact that Hulk's skin has been pierced by military weapons, no krptonians ever has.

That is not a double standard at all.

Originally posted by Surtur
But what did Hulk do in the Avengers movie to make you think his speed has increased?

A laser from a Kryptonian spaceship it needs to be pointed out. Being stunned by advanced tech isn't necessarily a bad feat.

We see alien tech in these films all the time. The tower wasn't alien tech. Superman is weak.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
He felt from the atmosphere twice later on, the first time resulting in him crashing face first into a mountain. And He was hardly damaged by that.

That's if you don't want to count the WE/Mini black hole.

No prob mate. 👆

True, but that was him in a semi-controlled fight. Plus he only had his own weight and momentum in that fall, not the weight of an oil rig.

Originally posted by FrothByte
True, but that was him in a semi-controlled fight. Plus he only had his own weight and momentum in that fall, not the weight of an oil rig.
Well, it's still more impressive regardless.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, it's still more impressive regardless.
Hulk still wins, regardless.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, it's still more impressive regardless.

It is, but him surviving the fall (to me anyway) seemed more a bit of circumstance than him actually increasing durability since the oil rig scene.

How has Hulk shown more durability then the kryptonians who have never even been pierced, by anything..

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, how does Nam Ek being knocked down and 'screaming in pain' help you quantify Hulk's durability?

Or better put, how is that relevant to this fight?

FINALLY! Power is back!

It creates a comparative between two characters encountering similar forces and how much it affected them.

Ergo, a character that is crying out in pain and brought the person to his knees for 10 seconds (in boxing, they would actually call this a KO, but I digress) was far more affected than the character who showed no discernible discomfort from encountering such forces.

And don't misrepresent what I said, now. I said "cried out" which is different from "screaming" in pain.

As for how it is relevant to this fight, let's take it one step at a time. My quantification of said "feat" was in response to someone saying that Kryptonians were made of tougher stuff than Hulk in which I showed comparable quantifiable "feats" between him and a Kryptonian.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Again your making him being knocked down a big deal..Thats like saying when Loki kicked Thor and he made him grunt and he was hurt..which he wasn't. Now when Loki stabbed Thor and he was bleeding, yes he was hurt.

Lets drop these "hurt" games here and now.

What exactly did I say that made it more of a deal than it is? Everything I am saying happened on screen. Yes, he got knocked down. Yes, he cried out in pain and yes, he was on his knees for 10 seconds plus.

I actually was VERY specific when I did not include the word "hurt" in my reply as I know the two of us have very different definitions of what "hurt" means. Thus I used "cried out in pain". Which happened on screen.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Its not going to override what I said, you are downplaying times when MCU characters have been hurt by your definition, and now up playing being knocked down as being hurt and making a noise or "screaming in pain" as you call it which is another fiction.

I know what game you are playing its not going to work with me.

Cheers

Dude, I never said "screaming". I said "cried out". Big difference. One is a prolonged loud cry, the other is a short sudden one. At least that's how I define it... You are more than free to give me a different word is there is one more apt however and I will gladly revise what I said.

If something I was dishonest and can be verified via timestamps, I would more than happily retract what I said. Just pls quote me and point out where I made the error.

Bottom line, I'm not trying to make this showing anything more than it is. I'm not saying that Nam Ek was badly hurt or injured. Just that, based on quantifiable visual cues, Hulk seemed to be affected far less than he was.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
That's just an interpretation tbh.

Also, we don't know if Hulk was expecting it or not because of the camera used for that specific scene. Nevermind, when we see Hulk he's already facing in the pilot's direction.

Oops, I missed this one (reread my posts to see if I used the word "screaming" and ended up seeing this).

Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe that a rage monster driven insane by rage hitting the side of the plane would not have the logical foresight to try and anticipate an ejector launch "just because". You are free to believe otherwise, however.

The last position Hulk was in prior to the ejector launch is him punching the side of the plane, not waiting for the ejector to launch. Regardless of how you see it, tho (whether he expected it or not), Hulk caught something accelerating at 117m/s2 at least.

Screaming and cried out?

And what is the difference, your using them to try and paint the kryptonians weaker then they are, if you were not you would not be going through this big effort to even really talk about it.

I could easily say the hulk cries out in anger when he gets shot with hails of bullets, or that Thor runs and hides for cover in that case. But it really doesn't matter. Cause in the end bullets don't really effect them.

Getting hit with A-10 tank busting bullets and getting knocked down is not a low end showing.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Screaming and cried out?

And what is the difference, your using them to try and paint the kryptonians weaker then they are, if you were not you would not be going through this big effort to even really talk about it.

I could easily say the hulk cries out in anger when he gets shot with hails of bullets, or that Thor runs and hides for cover in that case. But it really doesn't matter. Cause in the end bullets don't really effect them.

I mean, seriously, what did I say that was dishonest here? Everything I said happened via timestamps. You can interpret it however you want, but you cannot dispute what happened.

Sure you can go on ahead and say Hulk cries out in anger. I am not stopping you. And Thor DID run for cover (the same way I can say Faora ran away from the strafing run), no one is disputing that either.

Bullets affected him by knocking him back, making him cry out in pain and bringing him to his knees for 10 seconds. That is actually the very definition of something "having an effect".

Edit. Let's be very clear, tho. These are NOT normal bullets. These (in both the GAU 8 and the GAU 22) are API/HEI rounds fired by a very powerful aircraft mounted cannon designed to take out armor and I agree when you say this is NOT a low showings. And lowballing ppl was not my intention here.

I don't think you were being dishonest

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I don't think you were being dishonest

Heh. Must have misinterpreted your intentions with your reply. Sorry bout that. Ok then. 👆

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
I mean, seriously, what did I say that was dishonest here? Everything I said happened via timestamps. You can interpret it however you want, but you cannot dispute what happened.

Sure you can go on ahead and say Hulk cries out in anger. I am not stopping you. And Thor DID run for cover (the same way I can say Faora ran away from the strafing run), no one is disputing that either.

Bullets affected him by knocking him back, making him cry out in pain and bringing him to his knees for 10 seconds. That is actually the very definition of something "having an effect".

Edit. Let's be very clear, tho. These are NOT normal bullets. These (in both the GAU 8 and the GAU 22) are API/HEI rounds fired by a very powerful aircraft mounted cannon designed to take out armor and I agree when you say this is NOT a low showings. And lowballing ppl was not my intention here.

You forgot to add that Namek was armored up whn that happened and the bullets still affected him.

Appears you know nothing about the Gauss Gun on the A-10.

Now sit down and shut up

Went completely over your head.

No, physics went over yours.

Originally posted by NemeBro
A pretty long post that says literally nothing.

This is Irony at its finest coming from you. As usually I'll dissect your post and crush your argument like you were unable to do with mine. Par for the course with us though.


Faora only fought that fast on the ground because she can't fly. Did you even watch the movie (I can't blame you if you didn't)? You seem to be asking for feats of Faora fighting that fast while flying, but she can't fly. Luckily for her, neither can Hulk.

That wasn’t he point you buffoon, but I’m not surprised you missed it totally.

Meanwhile, Superman has much better top end durability feats like tanking the World Engine's blast (which flattened skyscrapers) and surviving going through the World Engine itself, which had enough energy to terraform the planet.

Meanwhile, Hulk gets held down by continuous Chitauri fire.

Superman could be moved and feel .50 caliber rounds. They couldn't hurt him. Zod couldn't even really hurt him. [/B]

More Moronivich maneuvers from Neme. Hey bud, if you want to really back up this claim we can do an easy little battlezone so I can kick the shit out of you there, and expose this as a baseless claim. I have no doubt you’ll back away from that, because you can’t hope to prove it. So while I know it’s hard for you to make a coherent argument and actually counter my points. But try clownshoes.

Neither Faora nor Superman have as good durability as the Hulk. He literally poops on them based on showings. Let’s examine clown. You claim Superman has better durability…. okay.. Let’s see…

1. Superman was KO’d by the Oil Rig. Something I could envision Hulk EASILY holding up. You falsely claimed that showing didn’t count because he got more powerful. I’ll tool that argument in a second. The fact remains HE WAS KO’d, and no amount of crying changes that little guy
2. Superman was KO’d by Faora and Nam in their two v one encounter. Unquestionably showing he can be KO’d by mere punches
3. He was also likely KO’d by Faora in their IHOP encounter. He was slammed to the ground and lay motionless with his eyes closed.
4. He was later KO’d by the WE explosion.

Now let’s compare the times Hulk was KO’d

Hmmmmm… Ummmmmm

1. maybe when Iron Man temporarily did, but again that’s debatable, and it was a surprise attack. EACH of the attacks that KO’d Clark weren’t surprise attacks or explosions.

See, I’ve just popped all over you. As I said clown, it’s an open challenge anytime you want. The fact is Hulk durability poops all over Superman’s or Faora’s, and to be frank, it’s not even close.

The oil rig is an irrelevant feat, considering he canonically grew more powerful as he discovered his powers.

Faora is easily knocking Hulk out in this thread, so being KO'd by her (I don't really remember this to be honest) isn't bad. [/B]

More buffoonery 101 from Nemo. The is ABSOLUTELY zero way he improved his durability one bit after the Oil Rig feat. It was unquestionably stated by Jor-El that the many years of exposure to the Sun had strength and hardened his muscles. From the Oil Rig scene to the subsequent fights was likely less than a month apart. He’s not somehow miraculously gaining any durability in that period of time. This theory has now been totally crushed. There is zero proof what so ever his durability increased after the oil rig feat, in fact we saw him KO’d numerous times afterwards. Nor can you prove his strength increased one iota, not one. He had already been testing himself strength wise since he was a little kid. As a boy he was already saving kids by pushing buses out of the water. It’s specifically noted afterwards that this isn’t the first time he’s done that. He was clearly testing his strength over the years. This wasn’t what Jor-El was referring to at all. He was referring to powers and abilities and things Superman hadn’t even thought of or tested himself at yet. Strength isn’t one of those thing. The movie backs this up as we never see him testing his strength after that convo. What we do see is him testing things he never knew he could do. He knew he had strength and had been testing himself since. Shit, even in the Oil Rig feat, that was a test. He had no idea if he could hold up the structure (he couldn’t) but he tried so anyways, i.e. testing himself. He failed, but he tried. Again, another argument crushed.


And the World Engine feat is beyond anything the weak MCU Hulk has done. [/B]

it would be nothing special for the Hulk to do. He’s witnessed more impressive. The WE was barely even knocking over skyscrapers with a blast. People were scene running around the pulse and not affected at all. It was pretty piss poor when it comes to damage and power. It was going to takes years and years to it to destroy earth. Shit, it was going for at least 30 minutes and most of the city was still standing. As you’ll notice in the Thor vs. WE feat…. nobody thinks Thor couldn’t cause more damage spam attacking the city in less time. He unquestionably could, thus showing the WE feat is simpy meh. Not overly impressive.


No, you're just biased and want your big green boyfriend to be stronger than he is. [/B]

Well, cause he is stronger, and no amount of crying for you changes that. Superman couldn’t even hold up part of the Oil Rig structure. I could easily envision Hulk holding that up while mildly angry.

This isn't even counting what looks to be a feat in the new film where he tanks Doomsday's heat vision that completely obliterates several city blocks (he was side by side with Diana, so he wasn't protected like Bruce was). [/B]

LOL. Desperate are we?

It's funny, that you seem so opposed to Superman being more durable than Hulk, when Hulk is the one who has been visibly injured from superpowered fights (and even more mundane shit). [/B]

He isn’t more durable, and anytime you want to take up the challenge let me know. I’ve unquestionably shown Hulk has been KO’d vastly more times than the Hulk was. This isn’t even close when comparing the two. Simple machine gun fire has visibly moved and hurt superman, Hulk has take the same fire and worse and been just fine. We’ve seen the damage Thor can do with his hammer. It’s been clear in all his movies. He hit Hulk with it a few times and he wasn’t KO’d. Superman on the contrary was KO’d by mere punches. Hulk took shots from Abom, and he was never KO’d by them. We can’t say the same for Superman against high powered beings.


No, Faora can easily match Hulk's strength. She vastly exceeds his speed and fighting ability.

Hulk thinks slower than Faora moves.

Faora isn't really stronger or more durable. But Clark is. 👆 [/B]

No she can’t, she’s not really even in the same ballpark as Hulk. Shit, Hulk ripping apart the Hulkbuster armor is above anything she has shown. He know the armor was even stronger and more durable than his regular armor. We know what kind of damage it has taken… missles.. bullets.. hammer shots… Iron Man’s durability is superb in his suit. Hulk was ripping it apart like it was nothing. That’s above anything Faora ever showed in the entire movie. What’s her best strength feat… amuse me? Shit, Faora was Neither are stronger or more durable than the Hulk. Durable isn’t even close, Hulk poops on their durability. Faora was even KO’d by a missile. As illustrated, Iron and Hulk have taken much much worse. Strength is harder to quantify, but needless to say, we know how Hulk strength works and hes’ stronger. Even by feats he’s right up there with Hulk. Hulk has been shown to be unable to life something besides Mjolnir, which is enchanted and why he can’t, we’ve seen Superman fail at lifting things. Point is, either prove your points or leave the thread with your tail between your legs like you usually do when debating against me.

Question: How is it a "surprise attack" when the Hulk was fully aware he was battling IM and had been moments before he got KO'd?