Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by Silent Master
That isn't what he said, that means you're lying again.

Here is what he actually said.

Do tell, you've claimed you said neither thing. So how do you know which one he's talking about? They've both come in in the last 2 pages. He never once, anywhere in his post talks about concession and me claiming you said so, In fact, that further proves exactly what he was talking about. I said, very clearly, you claimed WS fought faster than Ozy, and you said you didn't. I then say, would you like me to find the post where you did and make a wager. YOU AVOIDED THIS TOTALLY. I never asked for a wager nor said that you verbally conceded to me. Me trying to be funny, and taking your avoidance of the question as a concession isn't the same as me POINT BLANK saying you said something, I can quote you on it, want to make a wager.

Wrong yet again Silent, this is becoming a theme with you.

Kt, you're a joke who never proves anything. People just laugh at you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you can't post any feats that back up your claim.

The bullet catching feat.

Me and H1 don't normally agree on much of anything, but once, he's spot on here. Nice job H1

WS has several bullet blocking feats.
At closer range than Ozy and his feat and by faster traveling bullets.
If we are going to "ASSUME" ozy is faster (even though he has no fighting feats that show he is faster), then it will be like A heavy weight boxer fighting a feather weight. Sure the feather weight is faster but that doesn't mean the heavy weight wont connect eventually.
The speed difference (if there is any) isn't that far off to give Ozy the win.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You don't say, care to make a wager that I can find a post from Silent claiming WS has faster fighting speed? Sound good?

How bout you find a quote of him conceding to you? As I believe that was the point in contention.

of course it is, your analogy is terrible flawed InHuman and you are generally better about that kind of stuff.

Let's break it down:

First, the notion that this a HW fighting a featherweight... this couldn't be further from the truth.

We have Ozy tossing people further than WS every demonstrated i.e. strength

We have Ozy kicking somebody harder (though debatable) than WS ever did.

We have Ozy punching people similar distances as WS.

All of the above prove, that Ozy is no HW. When you can match or exceed somebody, than you certainly can't be vastly inferior stats wise. It can't possible be true.

Second, no WS doesn't have feats blocking bullets on par with Ozy. In fact, it's vastly inferior to Ozy. Sure, the caliber of guns used were a higher caliber and traveled faster... but they is mitigated by the fact that Ozy did his at closer range, thus giving him less time to react

Further, WS clearly had his arm RAISED PRIOR to the gun being fired. Clearly, marking the trajectory and guessing right. That is VASTLY inferior to having your arm at your side... only moving is AFTER the gun was fired, but still being able to raise it fast enough to catch it. That poops all over WS displays of "blocking bullets"

So really, what this actually is, is a fight between two HW boxers, only one is vastly faster and more skilled.

Originally posted by Inhuman
WS has several bullet blocking feats.
At closer range than Ozy and his feat and by faster traveling bullets.
If we are going to "ASSUME" ozy is faster (even though he has no fighting feats that show he is faster), then it will be like A heavy weight boxer fighting a feather weight. Sure the feather weight is faster but that doesn't mean the heavy weight wont connect eventually.
The speed difference (if there is any) isn't that far off to give Ozy the win.

Originally posted by FrothByte
How bout you find a quote of him conceding to you? As I believe that was the point in contention.

No it wasn't. I never claimed I could quote him saying he conceded. Find a post from me saying I could quote him saying that. The one thing I DID SAY I WOULD QUOTE, was him claiming WS has faster fighting speed. When I called him out on it, he refused to back up the claim. Thus I said he conceded. However, I never claimed I could quote him saying so... what I did say I could quote, you said I couldn't. One of these days you'll win an argument with me Froth.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No it wasn't. I never claimed I could quote him saying he conceded. Find a post from me saying I could quote him saying that. The one thing I DID SAY I WOULD QUOTE, was him claiming WS has faster fighting speed. When I called him out on it, he refused to back up the claim. Thus I said he conceded. However, I never claimed I could quote him saying so... what I did say I could quote, you said I couldn't. One of these days you'll win an argument with me Froth.

This is what you said:

I already accepted your concession. You can't prove WS is faster as you claimed

Are you telling me that you're lying about him making a concession? Concession means that he actually admitted he was wrong and you were right. Now did he or did he not concede to your points?

I did, what you, and he did the very next post.. I said I accept your concession because he refused to back up his claims. Just after I said that... he turned around and says... I accept your concession. Can he quote me conceding? Yet he says he accepted mine. Odd, I never conceded a thing. I don't see you asking him to quote me where I conceded. It's a figure a speech, one I've seen you use, stop blaming blatantly moronic.

I was very clear I what I said I could quote... You said I couldn't quote him... Are you conceding I never said I could quote him saying he concedes?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I did, what you, and he did the very next post.. I said I accept your concession because he refused to back up his claims. Just after I said that... he turned around and says... I accept your concession.

So you admit that you said it first? Could it be that he was only trying to give you a taste of your own medicine? And do you admit then that he never conceded?

Originally posted by h1a8
The bullet catching feat.

Is not indicative of his fighting speed

Originally posted by FrothByte
How bout you find a quote of him conceding to you? As I believe that was the point in contention.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Me and H1 don't normally agree on much of anything, but once, he's spot on here. Nice job H1

Originally posted by FrothByte
How bout you find a quote of him conceding to you? As I believe that was the point in contention.

Kt is just going to run away, like always.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Is not indicative of his fighting speed

Irrelevant. Fighting speed is a term that's not well defined.
It is indicative of hand speed and reflexes though.

H1 doesn't know what simple terms mean just like Kt.

Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant. Fighting speed is a term that's not well defined.
It is indicative of hand speed and reflexes though.

Fighting speed is a very well defined term, you just don't like it because you know WS has the better feats in that area.

Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant. Fighting speed is a term that's not well defined.
It is indicative of hand speed and reflexes though.

It's how fast you fight dumb dumb. Just like running speed means how fast you run. Hand speed and reflexes are only part of fighting speed. They're not the end all be all of it.