Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You keep owning yourself and EASILY.In the clip I provided that ISN'T close to a "proper punch" nor is it how you get proper leverage and torque into a punch. Things you've claimed numerous times. Yet he was still able to send the guy off his feet and flying back a few feet. With a position of poor leverage and not torqueing his body. It's hilarious, one one hand you'll go.. well you don't need to be in a proper position to have power behind a punch (EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING CLOWNSHOES)... Then you'll turn around and go... well yeah he can move his arm really fast and punch, but that isn't a proper punch with leverage behind it and torque your legs, torso, hips and shoulders. You literally talk out of both sides of your mouth. This convo can't continue with this level of buffoonery. Your argument has been crushed. Ozy can indeed punch hard enough to hurt people while not in proper position, while not putting all his weight behind it, while not torqueing his legs, torso and hips. Game over.
Please, as I said, anytime sport. I would love to laugh at you getting owned.
Ozy put his body into that backhand which proved my point exactly: that you can't put power into a punch by just using arm muscles. Quit your strawmanning and be man enough to admit you were wrong.
Originally posted by FrothByteDont forget, Ozy had to move his hands insanely fast to catch the bullet. Hand speed is also key to fast fighting.
Catching a bullet proves that Ozy can catch things fast. It proves that he has amazing reflexes. And yes, these are very important in a fight and will definitely help make you a fast fighter. However, reflexes alone does not equate to being a fast fighter. After all if that was the case then table tennis players should make fast fighters no?
Originally posted by Silent MasterI don't admit anything. I never claimed it. You never defined "fighting faster".
So you admit that you can't actually prove that Ozy fights faster?
I'm claiming that Ozy can move is his hands far faster and he can react far quicker.
From that he would beat the shit out of WS easily.
Originally posted by h1a8
Dont forget, Ozy had to move his hands insanely fast to catch the bullet. Hand speed is also key to fast fighting.
Hand speed = punching speed.
If you mean catching speed, then we can say reflex speed is definitely a part of fast fighting.
However, that is not the only criteria. And unfortunately, all the times we see Ozy fighting he never really fights faster than WS.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then post clips where Ozy fights faster than WS is capable of.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why? I never claimed it. You never defined "fighting faster".I'm claiming that Ozy can move is his hands far faster and he can react far quicker.
From that he would beat the shit out of WS easily.
Originally posted by FrothByteHe can move his hands far faster than WS. He can react far faster than WS. This is enough to show that he wins very easily.
Hand speed = punching speed.If you mean catching speed, then we can say reflex speed is definitely a part of fast fighting.
However, that is not the only criteria. And unfortunately, all the times we see Ozy fighting he never really fights faster than WS.
Originally posted by carver9He survived attacks from Cap who is stronger than Ozy. Face it the feats, the competition, and their portrayals all favor WS. He wins. Your opinion is once again completely off the reservation.
The hits that Black Widow and the Blonde lady landed on Winter Soldier, multiply that times 10 for Ozy. Winter Soldier is impressive but impressive enough to take on Ozy, hell naw. He needs a partner here.