Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Started by quanchi112150 pages

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
There's so much bullshit being spewed in this thread. Watching Ozymandias try to catch a punch from Bucky would be hilarous, Ozy's going to wind up with his own hand mushed in his face.
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Again, that isn't 30 feet... I've seen it all done before. I've seen these pictures before. You have zero accurate clue where the guy was standing at all. They aren't in the exact same places as the overhead and when he actually get kicked. There is no way to accurately tell where he is. You want to move him further away to make the kick longer.... doesn't make it so.

Further, Ozy's kick was vastly more powerful as the numbers show. Kicking somebody in the head and sending them flying even 10 feet is considerably more impressive then sending somebody flying by kicking them in the chest. A simply illustration is all that is needed. Kick somebody sending up in the chest... they'll go flying backwards a good distance. The surface area is greater and you can exert more force on a larger surface area. Ozy's kick in stark contrast was only kicking the guy in the head... and he was on the ground. Think about it.

We've seen in the MMA fights or real life.... Kick somebody square In the chest... they go flying backwards. Granted not flying in the air... which mean the WS was powerful, but again the engine I believe aided in him being carried further. The engire makes the feat ambiguous at best. Anyways, I've seen plenty of kicks to downed foes.. and not once... ever... are they sent flying. So the force Ozy needed to generate to send somebody flying like that is greater than what WS generated. It's really that simple

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Incorrect IH. Are you actually trying to peddle a theory that Ozy using SPEED makes him tired? WTF. So he can sit there and dodge punches with his speed... but they he'll just hurl himself down the stairs and play possum? You can't actually be serious here. Are you? Even the biggest WS supporters concede Ozy didn't need to recover in that scene, he was playing possum to get her to drop her guard... It worked flawlessly, like most of his plans do. They even concede this point. Yet you're still trying to peddle this theory when it couldn't be more obvious he was faking it.

When you get hurt and need to recover... do you have a grin on your face smirking... do you show no sign of pain what so ever... he was totally motionless. Yet we know he wasn't KO'd. When you get hit really hard... Do you throw yourself down and lay on the ground... not showing any pain or movement with a smirk? This theory has been shot down so many times I don't even know why it was brought back up... You're better than this IH

Personally, I like how h1a8 posts a clip that actually disproves his stance that Ozy is a fast fighter. in fact the clip shows that Ozy is rather slow in the hth department.

Props to Inhuman for posting proof that WS is the faster fighter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
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Let the big boys talk sport, this conversation, like most, is above you

Originally posted by Silent Master
Personally, I like how h1a8 posts a clip that actually disproves his stance that Ozy is a fast fighter. in fact the clip shows that Ozy is rather slow in the hth department.

Props to Inhuman for posting proof that WS is the faster fighter.

You don't say, how much faster was he fighting there? How much faster were his punches? Specifics please or I accept yoru concession... AGAIN

Other people post evidence Kt cries and can't refute anything. He then continues with his pitiful stances.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, that isn't 30 feet... I've seen it all done before.You have zero accurate clue where the guy was standing at all. They aren't in the exact same places as the overhead and when he actually get kicked. There is no way to accurately tell where he is. You want to move him further away to make the kick longer.... doesn't make it so.

Ok so you are saying there is no accurate way to tell how far it was. Yet you and H1 are the ones speculating how far Ozy kicked or threw a guy lol.

At least I posted evidence with a reasonable break down to get a better idea of what the distance was. As opposed to pure speculation.

The only thing that is clear is that the WS feat is far greater in distance than any of the Ozy kicking/tossing feats.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You don't say, how much faster was he fighting there? How much faster were his punches? Specifics please or I accept yoru concession... AGAIN

Fast enough that the difference is clearly visible.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Ok so you are saying there is no accurate way to tell how far it was. Yet you and H1 are the ones speculating how far Ozy kicked or threw a guy lol.

At least I posted evidence with a reasonable break down to get a better idea of what the distance was. As opposed to pure speculation.

The only thing that is clear is that the WS feat is far greater in distance than any of the Ozy kicking/tossing feats.

Right, you took at the entire part which makes how far it was irrelevant, when Ozy's kick seemingly generated more force, and it's not really close. Nice leaving that out.

Right, and Ozy has thrown people further than WS ever has shown to do so with more screen time

Right and Ozy has been shown to jump further than WS has over shown with more screen time

Ozy has been shown to react exponentially faster than WS ever has

Ozy has shown to move his arms exponentially faster than WS ever has

I could go on and on... your point? Anyways, yes it's hard to tell the exact distance... That is the point. It's a valid one. Anyways, the whole thing is, WS hasn't outperformed Ozy in more ways than Ozy outperforms him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Fast enough that the difference is clearly visible.

You don't say... how fast though... How was were his punches going compared to Ozy?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You don't say... how fast though... How was were his punches going compared to Ozy?

They(WS) were faster.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They(WS) were faster.

How do you know? Was it mentioned in one of the movies that I'm unaware of. Was Ozy's? Going but what it "seems" like isn't good enough. I could SEE Zod and Superman exchanging punches... Doesn't mean they were going human level speed... even though they appeared as such. In fact, going by your logic, WS punches speared faster than Superman and Zod exchanging... are you claiming they are faster? We see bullets flying through the air in movies... we don't perceive them in real life. You "thinking" something looks faster, in a movie of all things, is about as bad of proof as you can get. I'll await the specifics on speed, if you can't provide them, I'll accept your concession YET AGAIN

We have seen both of them fight and the difference in speed was enough to be clearly visible.

Originally posted by Inhuman
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Bucky has more quality feats in this 10 minute clip than all of the Watchmen combined, in the whole movie. Those falls alone would have killed Ozymandias, you doofs need to just call it a day, Ozy doesn't have shit.

Clownshoes 5000 above me. I see, so that explains why you couldn't match the feats I listed? I mean for somebody to claim somebody has better feats... You'd think he actually does... Only he DOESN'T. Any time you care to take the feats challenge we can begin.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
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Bucky has more quality feats in this 10 minute clip than all of the Watchmen combined, in the whole movie. Those falls alone would have killed Ozymandias, you doofs need to just call it a day, Ozy doesn't have shit.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Clownshoes 5000 above me. I see, so that explains why you couldn't match the feats I listed? I mean for somebody to claim somebody has better feats... You'd think he actually does... Only he DOESN'T. Any time you care to take the feats challenge we can begin.

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Do whatever you want crab cakes, there's no point in even reading your posts at this point.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
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Do whatever you want crab cakes, there's no point in even reading your posts at this point.

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No one takes him seriously.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right, you took at the entire part which makes how far it was irrelevant, when Ozy's kick seemingly generated more force, and it's not really close. Nice leaving that out.

Right, and Ozy has thrown people further than WS ever has shown to do so with more screen time

Right and Ozy has been shown to jump further than WS has over shown with more screen time

Ozy has been shown to react exponentially faster than WS ever has

Ozy has shown to move his arms exponentially faster than WS ever has

I could go on and on... your point? Anyways, yes it's hard to tell the exact distance... That is the point. It's a valid one. Anyways, the whole thing is, WS hasn't outperformed Ozy in more ways than Ozy outperforms him.

How bout you do what Inhuman did and post a diagram of Ozy throwing/hitting people so we can see actual evidence of how far they flew?