Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
... 😆When Ozymandias can backhand cars off the road, lock horns with Iron Man and run 60-70 mph, you let me know, and we can talk about who has the superior physicals.
I see, so WS can't replicate what Ozy has down with similar circumstances and feats. He's Ozy's inferior. So you want to list things Ozy never even attempted to prove he's 10x stronger? laughable stance and poor arguing. I think we'll just go ahead and go with comparing what their similar feats. Thanks though for the useless comment.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Since your post didn't include any clips of Ozy fighting faster than WS, I'm taking that as your concession.
Here we go with Silent yet again accepting concession when nobody conceded. Where is Captain Save a Froth to chastise him for doing so? Oh wait, he prefers being a hypocrite.
Anyways Silent, you can't accept his concession, I already accepted yours long ago. You were unable to prove that WS fights faster. Cry more. Ozy wins.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so you think Ozy has superspeed. Gotcha.Funny how he never used that superspeed in Combat eh?
Another silly statement from Froth. He did use it in combat. Somebody had a gun pointed at him and fired. He caught the bullet. That is a combat situation, and thus you're wrong.
Second, he doesn't have to fight at any speed to appease clownshoes people on the KMC forum. If somebody actually landed a blow on him, then you can say odd he didn't fight faster. When he's clowning some of the best MA in his universe with doing a monologue, with his back turned, like he's in a stroll in the park and they still didn't land a blow on him... Tell me, what was the need to fight faster?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Is this really how you people have been debating these past hundred pages? Covering your ears and yelling at the top of your lungs? You know thats basically what you're doing when you ignore his bullet catch while requesting feats of bullet time right? Ozy's speed is supported by feats, but obviously, nothing short of a mod ruling will get you guys to see common sense. This thread is a lost cause.
Yes, that is EXACTLY how they've been debating. Is it what I call full clownshoes mode. It has been going on for pages and pages. Don't worry though, I'm not letting them get away with the buffoonery.
Excellent point though, we see Parker has speed to dodge bullets... YET, YET I SEE HIS PUNCHES WHEN HE'S FIGHTING. ODDDDDDDDD.... HOW ODDDDDDDDDDD.... He must not be a bullet timer then and can't fight that way AMIRITE?
Originally posted by Inhuman
Some quick points....1. WS's whole body is enhanced. He sent a guy flying like over 30 feet with a kick from a non cybernetic leg.
2. I actually welcome OZY's bullet catching feat into this fight.
From what we seen with an screen showing, OZY will definitely dodge 1 or 2 blows from WS at high speeds, but be left open and vulnerable when recovering from using such speed.
If you are against him being vulnerable after using this type of speed then you would have to prove that he does not need to recover after using such speed. Because from what we've seen he will be laying on the floor after such a speed attempt.3. WS speed is nothing to laugh at either. He was quick enough to react to blocking bullets multiple times not just one rare instance.
And the closer ranges from faster traveling bullets. So their speeds aren't that far off regardless of how people try to spin it.
One is definitely faster than the other but not like a flea vs. an elephant type of difference. So it will not be a huge deciding factor in this fight like some are trying to say.
Incorrect IH. Are you actually trying to peddle a theory that Ozy using SPEED makes him tired? WTF. So he can sit there and dodge punches with his speed... but they he'll just hurl himself down the stairs and play possum? You can't actually be serious here. Are you? Even the biggest WS supporters concede Ozy didn't need to recover in that scene, he was playing possum to get her to drop her guard... It worked flawlessly, like most of his plans do. They even concede this point. Yet you're still trying to peddle this theory when it couldn't be more obvious he was faking it.
When you get hurt and need to recover... do you have a grin on your face smirking... do you show no sign of pain what so ever... he was totally motionless. Yet we know he wasn't KO'd. When you get hit really hard... Do you throw yourself down and lay on the ground... not showing any pain or movement with a smirk? This theory has been shot down so many times I don't even know why it was brought back up... You're better than this IH
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Here we go with Silent yet again accepting concession when nobody conceded. Where is Captain Save a Froth to chastise him for doing so? Oh wait, he prefers being a hypocrite.Anyways Silent, you can't accept his concession, I already accepted yours long ago. You were unable to prove that WS fights faster. Cry more. Ozy wins.
Quote where I conceded.
Originally posted by InhumanI disagree. WS metal arm is stronger by feats, not necessarily his other arm or parts.
What Bucky has done in his movie appearances >>> Ozy Strength wise.Post the video where Ozy throws him over 30 feet.
Also lol @ you trying to say Black Widow cant beat up common prisoner fodder. Shes taken on far deadlier foes than prisoners or NiteOwl, Rorsch, Silk Spectre.
Here is the video. Look at 2:34
https://youtu.be/kbnGA8uu8T0
She will get killed by those prisoners. She might take out a few though. She's not beating Rorschach or Nite Owl.
Originally posted by FrothByteHe could have easily killed him by shooting him or stabbing him. Apparently, Ozy enjoys a fight. So he toyed with him until he was ready to kill him. I believe he did it out of respect for him. Give him a chance to earn his life. Also that happened way before the end of the movie. It's possible that Ozy improved significantly since then.
So he was holding back against Comedian because he also didn't want to kill him?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Because Spidey actually does it more than once. Does it often enough AND DURING COMBAT that there's no doubt that he can move that fast.Ozy does it that one time and it wasn't even during combat. He doesn't have enough speed feats to declare that he has super speed.
This is also blatantly false. In one movie he showed time and time again that his reactions were indeed superhuman
not only is there the bullet catch feat, which poops on anything WS every did across 2 movies, we also have these corroborating the bullet catch scene.
1. Earlier in the movie, he literally avoids close range bullet fire by a trained deadly assassin. He's so fast with his movements, that he's still able to close the distance and disarm the gunman.
2. He caught a knife throw, and again, at close range. Again, arm at this side, not moving until the throw, but is still able to move his hand up in time to catch the knife with ease. That displays very fast reactions
3. Never getting hit by a punch once in all this confrontations... We saw people clearly faster than regular tough guy humans. They weren't getting any blows landed on them, yet with Ozy, he's able to land repeated blows and they can't land a single one. Again, showing how much faster he's than them.
4. He was about 15 to 20 feet away from the comedian... a trained special forces badass. Ozy doesn't move to close the distance on Comedian till AFTER the coffee hits the door.. at which point Comedian is rolling further away. Yet a trained special forces killer like Comedian couldn't even track Ozy movement he was so fast... and just appeared right next to him and disarmed him. No noise, no sight... nothing.
These were all is just one movie, and little screen time.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Here we go with Silent yet again accepting concession when nobody conceded. Where is Captain Save a Froth to chastise him for doing so? Oh wait, he prefers being a hypocrite.Anyways Silent, you can't accept his concession, I already accepted yours long ago. You were unable to prove that WS fights faster. Cry more. Ozy wins.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. WS metal arm is stronger by feats, not necessarily his other arm or parts.
Look at @ 2:15 in this vid. WS catches and holds Black Panther in mid air with his NON robot arms and lifts him up no problem while riding a motorcycle.
Look @ 1:40 WS is running faster than cars with his NON robot legs.
8:28 kicks a guy over 30 feet with his NON robot legs. (This was already proven with different angle pics of that scene earlier in this thread)
And a bunch of other scenes that show he is enahnced besides his robot arm.
And he fights faster than Ozy.
Originally posted by h1a8
Here is the video. Look at 2:34
https://youtu.be/kbnGA8uu8T0
That wasn't 30 feet lol.
Do you also notice from your video how slow Ozy's fighting speed is?
Its slower than how fast WS fights.
And WS fights super powered people. Not just regular peak humans that their greatest feat is beating up prisoner fodder.
Originally posted by h1a8
She will get killed by those prisoners. She might take out a few though. She's not beating Rorschach or Nite Owl.
Originally posted by InhumanLook at @ 2:15 in this vid. WS catches and holds Black Panther in mid air with his NON robot arms and lifts him up no problem while riding a motorcycle.
Look @ 1:40 WS is running faster than cars with his NON robot legs.
8:28 kicks a guy over 30 feet with his NON robot legs. (This was already proven with different angle pics of that scene earlier in this thread)
And a bunch of other scenes that show he is enahnced besides his robot arm.
And he fights faster than Ozy.That wasn't 30 feet lol.
Do you also notice from your video how slow Ozy's fighting speed is?
Its slower than how fast WS fights.
And WS fights super powered people. Not just regular peak humans that their greatest feat is beating up prisoner fodder.duster [/B]
It was a minimum of 20 feet.. and he did so with TERRIBLE leverage and grip. It was a throw further than WS has ever shown doing.
Second, we've been over this before. Not only wasn't that 30 feet, it's ambiguous if the jet engine aided in the distance by sucking him in. Really hard to say, but it's not 30 feet either way. I'd give it 20 or 25 tops.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It was a minimum of 20 feet.. and he did so with TERRIBLE leverage and grip. It was a throw further than WS has ever shown doing.Second, we've been over this before. Not only wasn't that 30 feet, it's ambiguous if the jet engine aided in the distance by sucking him in. Really hard to say, but it's not 30 feet either way. I'd give it 20 or 25 tops.
Ok here it is again since some have forgotten of missed it.
Here is the kick (from his non robot foot). Also a quick overhead view to see the distance scale. We also get to see one WS's several bullet blocking feats.
Now the breakdown:
WS kicked the guy around where the circle is on this pic
Lets say the guy was 5'10.
Also I ran out of space on the pic. The Engine on the wing part was farther to the right of the pic.
You can clearly see its farther than 30 feet, and the guy would have flown further if the jet engine didnt suck him up.
Here is the pic without the red outline.
you can clearly see what guy I used to make the duplicates.
Ozy's kick or throw isnt remotely close to this distance.