Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is borderline comical now. I mean really funny.YOU claim Bucky's kick was farther. PROVE IT. The angles of the camera give ZERO indication it was 20 feet let alone 30 LMAO. That is a complete and total fabrication. Shit, you can't even tell it was 20 feet. In the scene where he's actually struck, It in NO way looks like he traveled 20 feet. I don't think you realize how far that really is. In your house.. take 20 steps.. Look at that distance, and ask yourself.... does it appear the guy flew THAT far.. let alone 30 feet LMAO. No way. He looks to have traveled at most 15. However, I already said I can even allow 20.. because Ozy's kick is superior plain and simple. So I find it funny you want me to prove something about force of a kick.. yet you're unable to even prove how far WS kick was. It will be even funnier if you walk off 30 feet and tell me he kicked him that far... shit, you'll probably give yourself a chuckle.
I have no formula to prove kicking strength... what I do have though is common sense and logic. Do you not agree it's much harder to send someone flying who's on the ground and you kick them in the head... compared to two guys standing and one guy kicks the other in the chest. Surely, you'd agree it's much easier.. and by much easier I mean MUCH easier to send someone flying from a kick to the chest. That is simply where the majority of he mass is, thus you'll be able to more the object further then if you kick an extremity with very little mass. It's like saying I can kick someone's arm and send them flying as far as if kicked them in the chest LOL. It's laughable. Watch any UFC or Pride fights... training videos.. street fights... Notice how far back people fly from kicks to the chest... they go flying back and tumbling back. Happens all the time. Have you ever seen a kick to the head send someone flying or even tumbling back when they are already on the ground? Absolutely not. You seem to claim you subscribe to logic and reason. Well, let's see. By the way.. Ozy's kick looked further than 10 feet, in fact, it looked just as far.. though maybe not as high in the air. It's more than 10 feet that's for sure. Never mind, that he was kicked so hard.. he bounced off a pillar mid flight.. and still flew another 6-10 feet. To even think WS kick generated more force is kind of funny to me.
Throwing, again, this isn't close. Ozy threw somebody just as far, if not further. He seemed to even do damage to the pillar the guy was thrown so hard. We aren't talking about an unsuspecting old dude in a car who was caught by surprise We're talking about throwing peak human skill level guys. Even the comedian throw... look at how far that throw was through bullet proof glass. So no, WS doesn't have better throwing feats.
These were hardly arbitrary, they were things you'd see in most fights... Punches, kicks, throws, skill, strength, speed, reactions, durability... All the main variables for a fight. They were hardly arbitrary.
Yes. Yes. Simply ignore the evidence and diagrams shoved at your face over and over again that it was somehow 10 feet like you previously said. I'm sure eventually ppl will get tired posting the evidence and you can claim you've won something and maybe even convince yourself someday.... sigh.
The force needed to send a body flying is equivalent to the weight of the body plus the acceleration needed to keep him off the ground in flight as per demonstrated distance. A person can generate more force with a front kick, sure. But then again, the much further distances demonstrated would take quite a bit a lot of energy as well. Like I said, the math is beyond me.
Some energy would be lost with the head cocking to the side but it will not dissipate most of the energy. Granted the needed force to send someone flying from a head kick should be sufficient to snap the head instead of sending the guy, flying. Assuming the head being kicked is durable enough not to get its neck snapped, then the above logic applies.
And I am more than happy to believe you once you can show me the math. Til then, I am going to have to not take your word for it and simply say. "Well, I don't really know".
My previous argument has always been about WS's kick being further. Nothing more, nothing less. But I'm not about to take your claim that harder difficulty means more power even tho it has much less distance.
No, it was 10 feet, maybe less. Measure the TV's. There were around 2.5 feet per (basing it on Ror's height as he crashed into it with his knees bent). He was kicked a distance of a little less than 4 screens. Watch the scene again.
As for the throw? You understand that while Ozy had decent positioning and leverage, WS threw a guy with one hand using an extremely difficult angle? Do a one hand lat raise and see how much weight you can lift. Now do a body toss and see how much. You like talking about how one action is far more difficult than the other, suddenly forgot about it because it doesn't suit your argument?
As well as grapples, blocks, reversals, positioning, feints, movement, combination strikes, etc. there are many possible factors in a fight. Most are not relevant to how a fight will turn out, tho. You can't just go and select the ones you like arbitrarily.